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Old Feb 6, 2003 | 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by Mr_Superman
So how exactly does a lock up work? Is it if you acceerate lightly you wont have the stall but if you accelerate hard you gotta get to the stall?
The Lock Up is a complete engagement of the converter. Your stall will feel a bit mushy with a 3200 but nothing annoying about it. You get used to it. If you romp on the gas from a dead stop you will, what is called flash the converter to the stall speed. A lot of other variables that I don't quite follow also are involved in this process. As far as you looking into a 2000 stall that is basically what comes in a vette. I had one & did cut some nice 60' times. Now I run a vig 3200 stall & can't wait to upgrade. I see your going to get a Hot Cam installed. I am telling you right now & without a doubt that the Hot Cam needs more than a 2000 or even a 2400 stall to get every bit of potential out of the cam. I am speaking from recent expierience. This summer I ran a 12.9 @ 106 with my Hot Cam & the rest of the bolt ons. My 60' time was almost the same as before the cam. Then I got a Vig 3200 stall & that alone has allowed me to run 12.30's all day @ speeds between 108 & 110 mph. The stall helped find the Hot Cams sweet spot. Also when it comes to drivability I am the first to shy away from something like that. Let me say I have not questioned the high stall to date & if I did drive the car everyday I would still have the 3200 in there.

Good Luck & trust me... Any more questions feel free to ask..
Old Feb 6, 2003 | 11:53 PM
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I am just in the process of learning about torque converters, so I make no claims to being an expert. But one thing stands out here as a seeming misconception. My understadning is that "stall speed" is relative to torque. Talking about a "2800 stall" converter is not very meaningful unless you specify what motor it's behind. For example, a converter that stalls at 2,800 behind a stock small block will run up much higher behind a big block torque monster or if you just put nitrous on the small block.

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Old Feb 7, 2003 | 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by rskrause
I am just in the process of learning about torque converters, so I make no claims to being an expert. But one thing stands out here as a seeming misconception. My understadning is that "stall speed" is relative to torque. Talking about a "2800 stall" converter is not very meaningful unless you specify what motor it's behind. For example, a converter that stalls at 2,800 behind a stock small block will run up much higher behind a big block torque monster or if you just put nitrous on the small block.

Rich Krause
Yes.. Those are some of the other variables I mentioned I am still learning about.
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Old Feb 7, 2003 | 12:10 AM
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Originally posted by Smokn '94 Z
Yes.. Those are some of the other variables I mentioned I am still learning about.
Good Follow Up...
Does the 3,200 in your car actually stall about that rpm? I am curious because I am in the process of selecting a converter for my TH400 swap and when you mentioned that it's not objectionable, I just wanted to be sure what the converter was actually doing vs. where it's rated.

I had a long talk with the folks at Coan (makers of high end race converters) yesterday and they were trying to tell me that I wouldn't find a 4,800 (actual) stall too objectionable . At this point I think I am getting a 3,200, so I am quire curious about yours.

Thanks!

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Old Feb 7, 2003 | 12:24 AM
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I would say yes it does stall at the rated 3200 rpm. A lot of people at the track say a vigilante 3200 stalls at 3600 rpm but I don't remember ever seeing it that high. But then again it is a bit hard to tell..... All I know is it hits hard at the track. I have absolutly no issues with its cruising characteristics & in a month or so will be going with a 3600 stall to compliment some heads I have lying around waiting to be installed. Like you I am still learning & from what I have seen with other peoples cars as an example the 3200 stall seems to have a different affect on different cars & power & power bands of those cars, which I believe is still keeping me wondering or not completely understanding the variables that give a true stall speed...

You know what I mean...???
Old Jun 26, 2003 | 02:58 AM
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Originally posted by rskrause
My understadning is that "stall speed" is relative to torque. Talking about a "2800 stall" converter is not very meaningful unless you specify what motor it's behind. For example, a converter that stalls at 2,800 behind a stock small block will run up much higher behind a big block torque monster or if you just put nitrous on the small block.

Rich Krause
when I called up B&M and Summit they said about the same thing. They wanna know whats the weight of the car, cam , heads , and other mods as well as tranny used. They need all that to make a good converter selection. Wit my 4.3 V6 I would have needed a mugh higher stall, like a 2800, to get the effects of a 22-2400 stall on a V8. Less torque from the motor = less effect on the converter = lower stall speeds.
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