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Old Nov 18, 2003 | 12:57 PM
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Reasons not to get 17x11's?

Basically like the subject says. Does anyone regret getting 17x11's for the rear? My car is my daily driver btw.

I know it will probably require massaging the inner fender well and maybe rolling the outer fender lip.

But is the traction increase on a daily driver worth going with 17x11's and 315's over 17x9.5's and 275's?

(I'm asking because I'm about to chicken out of getting 17x11's)
Old Nov 18, 2003 | 01:02 PM
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IMO if you are looking to get more traction out of your car then I would recommend going with some Drag Radials. The only reason I purchased the 17x11's is because I got a great deal on ebay.
Old Nov 18, 2003 | 01:18 PM
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i hear they're like surf boards in the rain .. **** poor wet traction. I'm going to go 17x9.5" all the way around on my car (when i get the money that is).

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Old Nov 18, 2003 | 01:29 PM
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what are you talking about?

17x11s will have much better traction than 17x9.5s.

It's a wider rim/tire, so I don't see how it would have less traction.
Old Nov 18, 2003 | 01:32 PM
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From the guys I talked to, they just bolted them on...No rollin' the fender lip, nothin'..
Old Nov 18, 2003 | 01:33 PM
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In rain or snow, a narrower tire is usually better in my experience.

Also, the wider the tire, the more like it is to follow ruts in the road or to "track" as it's often called.

The tires are usually considerably more expensive, plus there are much fewer options for tire brands with dealing with tires for 11" rims.

It depends on your planned use of the car as to if it's worth the time and money.

Also, with the wider width, the sidewall has to shorten to maintain overall tire diameter, which means that smaller bumps can cause bigger damage to the tire and rim... It will basically take less to damage them, so you have to watch out for that as well.

I believe with the shorter sidewall, it must also get stiffer and this can cause you some traction problems for straight line hard acceleration, or so I've heard.

I plan to put some 17x9.5's in the front and 17x11's in the rear of my car at some point in the future...
Old Nov 18, 2003 | 01:34 PM
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i had 17x11s for a few months , just like pillagenburn

said , they are like surfboards in the rain, i thought they would help with traction (b/c of width)and they did , but i ended up with 17x9.5s all the way around and bf drag radials . the 17x11s look pretty nice, but if you dress you tires then they spray these gigantic circles of tire dressing on the side of your car , and thats no fun to clean! , overall im happy with 17x9.5"s
Old Nov 18, 2003 | 02:01 PM
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I have 17x11's on the back and love them!! I have had them for 2 years now and they look rad. I did roll the fenders which cost me 100 bucks at a body shop. Haven't had problems with it in the rain like everyone else said. In fact the reason I got them is because my 255 Firehawks hydroplaned and made me kiss a center median. The rim got scratched and insurance paid me some bucks to get a new one so I just went with the 11's. No regrets here.
Old Nov 18, 2003 | 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by LWillmann

Also, with the wider width, the sidewall has to shorten to maintain overall tire diameter, which means that smaller bumps can cause bigger damage to the tire and rim... It will basically take less to damage them, so you have to watch out for that as well.

I believe with the shorter sidewall, it must also get stiffer and this can cause you some traction problems for straight line hard acceleration, or so I've heard.
I'm not sure what your trying to say. A 17x11 or a 17x9.5 will have the same sidewall height because you are going to size your tires for the same overall diameter which has to do with the 17, not the width. The sidewall height is determined by the aspect ratio, which is a percentage of width. So 275*40% = 315*35% aka same sidewall height.

Now if you comparing moving from a stock 16" rim up to a 17" diameter rim of any width, then you have a point. You are sacrificing some sidewall flex which can be made up by the width increase but is limited by the available tires (no 315 or 335 nittos )

When i replace my 17x9.5 Enkeis I will be getting Fiske FM5s in 17x7or8 front and 17x11 rear. I hate the fact that the body hangs out past the wheels from the rear view.
Old Nov 18, 2003 | 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by 94formulabz
I'm not sure what your trying to say. A 17x11 or a 17x9.5 will have the same sidewall height because you are going to size your tires for the same overall diameter which has to do with the 17, not the width. The sidewall height is determined by the aspect ratio, which is a percentage of width. So 275*40% = 315*35% aka same sidewall height.

Now if you comparing moving from a stock 16" rim up to a 17" diameter rim of any width, then you have a point. You are sacrificing some sidewall flex which can be made up by the width increase but is limited by the available tires (no 315 or 335 nittos )

When i replace my 17x9.5 Enkeis I will be getting Fiske FM5s in 17x7or8 front and 17x11 rear. I hate the fact that the body hangs out past the wheels from the rear view.
I tink and I mean I tink he's talking bout the contact patch

I have the 17X11's I don't know what these other guys are talking about. Maybe they need better tires or something. The 17X11's are awsome in the rain exellenct traction. These cars need wide tires. Done enough spinnouts in the rain..once did a 360 on the highway because of those damn little diameters. The wider wheel grips hard. Awsome traction No more Spincycles on take off. But then again I have the Nitto 555EX's so it's a good tire on a even better rim. The cars handleing is really tight with the wider tires but that's what you want. Driving does become more agressive though and makes those 5.0 guys think twice when they see your wheel base.




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Old Nov 18, 2003 | 05:06 PM
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I had the same question when I bought my Torq Thrust II's. 17x11 looks awesome!! But you stated that this is your daily driver. My car is my daily transportaton as well. Anyway, I ended up with 17x9.5 all around so I can still rotate the tires to help them last a little longer also because 275/40/17's are cheaper than any 315/35/17 tire. Our Z rated tires don't exactly last long as is and I wanted to get the max life out of mine. Just something to think about. Oh, don't forget that a bigger tire/wheel is going to weigh more than a smaller combo.
Old Nov 18, 2003 | 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by 94formulabz
. You are sacrificing some sidewall flex which can be made up by the width increase but is limited by the available tires (no 315 or 335 nittos )

im pretty sure they make 315/35-17 nittos...
Old Nov 18, 2003 | 07:59 PM
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i see no real issue with the 11 inch rims and 315 tires, mine bolted right on and away i went, and the fact that they look sick on the car, nothin like a set of steam rollers out back, a 275/40 looks like a bicycle tire compared to a 315, thats why my car will never see a 275/40 again, hell if i could fit a viper rear tire on there i would
Old Nov 18, 2003 | 08:10 PM
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315 is the widest you can put, 335 if u beat the fender :P



my friend had to beat his fender with 295s though... weird eh
Old Nov 18, 2003 | 08:39 PM
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These cars Deserve a 17X11 Rear I'm telling you.
No regrets...tires are only like 40bucks more.



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