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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 01:53 AM
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racing fuel? yes or no

I was wondering if you can run race fuel in a fuel injected car. I know it plugs the cat, but what about fuel injectors? I have aftermarket inj's the motoron 60#'s and no cats. thanks

96 formula LT1 Vortech s/c, 7#'s, Hooker LT's, Magna flow cat back, th-350
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 02:00 AM
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Your injectors will be fine. Your 02 sensors will not be.

They make up to 110 octane unleaded.
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 07:42 AM
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I'm still looking for the elusive 110-octane ( (R+M)/2 ) unleaded. The most I have found is 105 (VP Fuels Motorsport 109). Some people confuse the VP Fuel C10 with 110-octane, but its only 100.


http://www.vpracingfuels.com/vp_01_fuels.html#unleaded
http://www.racegas.com/fuelspecs/default.asp
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 11:10 AM
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I thought Sunoco produced it, but it sure isnt on that list
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 11:17 AM
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What about mixing them?

I plan on running something above pump gas when I go to the track on spray.

Say 4 gallon of 91 and 1 Gallon of 110 leaded?
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 11:27 AM
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You have to average the numbers. You have (91+91+91+91+110)/5 = 94.8 octane.

As for 1 gallon of leaded fuel... Thats plenty to screw up your o2s.
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 11:50 AM
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Re: racing fuel? yes or no

Originally Posted by atljar
You have to average the numbers. You have (91+91+91+91+110)/5 = 94.8 octane.

As for 1 gallon of leaded fuel... Thats plenty to screw up your o2s.
Ya, I was wondering about the screwing the o2s part.

Does anyone make lead proof o2s? The reason I ask is just because mine have 120K on them and I am sure they will bight the dust anytime. Probably inaccurate as it is.
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 11:58 AM
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Don't sweat it unless you plan on running 110-112 leaded daily. Every time I run my car on n2o I put 5gallons of 110 or C12 whatever is available and mix it with about, less than 1/4 tank, 2-3galls of 93 already in the tank. I have changed 02 sensors once b/c I thought they were bad but it was something else. I run 200HP n2o with full timing and the above mixtures with great results, look at sig for details. Once I get home I go and put about 8-10galls of 93 and everything is fine. Later Clint
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 12:08 PM
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Re: racing fuel? yes or no

Originally Posted by Injuneer
I'm still looking for the elusive 110-octane ( (R+M)/2 ) unleaded. The most I have found is 105 (VP Fuels Motorsport 109). Some people confuse the VP Fuel C10 with 110-octane, but its only 100.


http://www.vpracingfuels.com/vp_01_fuels.html#unleaded
http://www.racegas.com/fuelspecs/default.asp
http://www.kemcooil.com/products.php?cId=4

This is from 1 of the sites sponsors.
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 03:00 PM
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Re: racing fuel? yes or no

Originally Posted by km9v
http://www.kemcooil.com/products.php?cId=4

This is from 1 of the sites sponsors.
Interesting, but what has tetraethyl lead octane booster got to do with the octane of unleaded fuel?
Old Apr 14, 2006 | 01:27 AM
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Re: racing fuel? yes or no

so would a 50/50 mix be ok for one night of racing, and then go back to premium?
Old Apr 14, 2006 | 09:57 AM
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Yes, it will be fine.
Old May 26, 2006 | 12:46 PM
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mixing 4 gallons of 91 unleaded with one gallon of 110 does NOT equal 94.8 octane because one cannot do a simple add the 5 gallons & average them with leaded fuel being in the mix. It has a synergistic effect toward boosting octane. That's the reason why back up til the late 80's one could mix 89 octane LEADED regular with 92/93 octane unleaded and actually get 95 octane fuel. The actual octane of this proposed mix would probably be around 98+ octane. Get lead resistant O2 sensors from NGK or Denso & you will be good to go for leaded on the weekends and no-lead during the week.

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Old May 27, 2006 | 04:26 AM
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The way that the octane system was devised is based on the fact that some hydrocarbons burn more "smoothly" than others. Heptane which is a linear chain with 7 carbon atoms has a 0 octane rating because it reacts violently when burned and can combust without spark if it is compressed enough. 2,2,4-Trimethylpentane is a 8 carbon (octane) branched chain molecule. That is the "ideal" automotive fuel with a 100 octane rating. For the octane inbetween, for example 87 octane, are rated by their performance in relation to those two molecules. 87 octane performs similarly to a mixture composed of 87% 2,2,4-Trimethylpentane and 13% n-Heptane.

For octane ratings over 100 I don't know how it works... What is the (R+M/2) method? I never learned what that meant...
Old May 27, 2006 | 07:59 AM
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Re: racing fuel? yes or no

I did a bit of research last year and made a few calls and there is nowhere near a substantial amount of lead in these fuels needed to screw up an o2 sensor. its like .05 percent or something



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