slander (slan'der) n. 1. the oral utterance or spreading of a falsehood, harmful to another's reputation.

 

As always, your just so funny!!!

 

the funny part is that your car actually runs with these heads on it.

 

And so do all the other ones with them around here. Mine has been fine for the past 2 years. *whatever*

 

We are in the process of getting some of these so called "bad" sets back, so we can see what you are talking about.

When you say "We are" anything, it certainly LOOKS like you're an employee, whether you are or not.

It isn't even a "buisness".

If people shell out $1500 for a service, it's a business.

Currently, no heads are being sold until we can find out what some of these problems are.

Again with the "we" stuff -- are you affiliated with PP or not?

 

If you want to get technical with it, I am nothing more than another customer of PP. The only people that have recieved heads from me contacted me first. I did no searches to find people who are looking for heads, and then try to pawn this product off on them. I mearly acted as a middle man for shiping and carrying the heads out there. Nothing more than doing someone who e-mailed me a favor/and or headache, depending on the person. Even then, I've only done this for 2 people. The only reason I keep posting on this crap, is because people keep draging my name into it, when I have nothing to do with the people who are having trouble. If it weren't for me, there would be no way for PP to get any of these heads back so "he" can see what is wrong with them. I'm just trying to get some these things straightened out. If everyone wants to call the product crap, be my guest, you aren't hurting me a bit. I still have one of the fastest stock bottom end cars on this site, and I do run the heads that are being contested with no problem. Am I accountable for selling bad heads? No. I do not do the work, or have anything to do with the process. If you E-mailed me and said you wanted a set of heads, I did my best to get a set carried out there to him. I did not "sell" you the heads, I mearly "got " them for you. Nothing more than a middle man.

 

That's the problem. I was led to believe that this was a legit business that was putting out awesome heads. If I had known it was "just a guy with a machine shop in his backyard who does head porting on the side" I would never have sent $1,500 and a core set of heads. There are 50 other guys closer to me that do heads in "their backyard shop", and they charge a hell of a lot less, and put out a better product. Full disclosure up front tends to work better in the long run.

 

Once again, I did not get you your heads, or you would have known this.

 

ya, what he said

 

I've only posted it 100 times over the past year, in threads that were posted for the public to read.

 

I'm not flaming you Beast. I have never spoken with you. Mike B. is who I dealt with, and he never delivered what was promised.

 

agreed!

i was also under the impression(edit: under the assumption) that Pro Performance was a "shop" in the popular application of the word. i paid $1000 for used PP heads that I bought from Ken. honestly if i had known what sort of operation PP was, I never would have paid that amount.

~I am not mad or anything of that nature whatsoever at Ken, he was great throughout the transaction...it's my fault for not looking deeper into PP~

 

Beast,

I hate to be the bearer of bad news... but you are affiliated with them, and thats all there is to it. I try to show you at least a little respect b/c you present yourself infinitely better than your buddy Mike, but come on, we arent all stupid.

Do you recieve money for "getting them" for people? I find it hard to believe that mike pockets the whole ~$800 for driving to a guys house to dropoff/pickup heads and you dont get any of it. You're part of PP, and thats it. You obviously arent as dumb as your buddy, but if you weren't associated with PP, you wouldnt be bailing water out of a sinking ship so vehemently.

I've got some old PP pics.. and some others if I can dig them up...

Here are some highlights...

atrocious valvejob (if you can even call it a valvejob)
dropped head and someone didnt even knock the mushroomed part off that hung below the deck
Grinder marks across intake surface (we'd never ship something like that
I dont even know what to say about these winglets

I've got some others.. but i dont think its necessary to go through the trouble to upload them heh. Guys (beast/mike).. please.. if youre going to make a buck off selling someone else's work (which is fine, others do it)... dont have a backwoods moron do your work for you. The numbers and pictures I have seen from over FIVE sets of PP heads have all been unthinkable and blatant lies. Sorry, maybe it isnt YOU lying, but you have to know something's up, and methinks you're guilty by association. I couldn't sleep at night passing garbage like this off to people, especially as bad as the heads are. If they were $300+parts.. that'd be one thing, but you guys charge as much as I do! As far as you being happy with them.. well I'm sorry, but I'm happy with my heads we did.. that doesnt mean a whole hell of alot when youre the one selling them, and that's compounded by the fact that you guys have been caught in so many goddamned lies that you'd need Johnny Cochran to straighten this mess out.

I just cant believe people were so naive as to recieve garbage looking like it does and think "that must be how it should be." I feel bad for them, cause I'm a young guy who cant afford to waste $ on my ride either. What I cant believe is that your guy cant get even mediocre numbers out of the heads without ruining them and porting them to the edge of porosity, and when they leak, he goes back and removes more material!?!

You guys have hurt alot of people, and though you werent ever "competition" for us, I hope people will finally listen to your customers who're slowly realizing they got screwed.

Hope everyone's problems get sorted out, maybe some of us should offer a discount on fixing the people's pp stuff... Or maybe since it'd most definitely require welding, the people should sell them off and get what little $ they can for them.... of course legal action is always an option.. but tough with a company that doesnt exist.

Unbelivable, I'm just disgusted.. not with the work, thats a given, but the mentality.

Take Care,

-Phil

 

They must be adding some onto thier flow sheet like GTP because "thier bench reads low"

Sorry to hear about your troubles man, you would have done better hacking them up yourself!

 

I have NEVER recieved a single dollar from Mike for the numerous amount of heads he has sold to people. Like I said, I have sold 2 people on this board there heads for the negotiated price of $1500. Did I get some money from the deal? I brought the guy a set of heads and some money, he in turn gave me a percentage of the money for getting him the buisness. Was it $800? I really don't think so. If he was paying 50%, I might have tried to actually sell some heads. I guess the next time something goes wrong with a set of GTP heads, everyone that owns a set is going to be held accountable. Your F'in crazy if you think you can hold ME accountable for this BS. Just because I stand up for a product I run, dosen't mean I own the company. I guess you can look at it however you want, but you got a little out there on that one.