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Old Apr 1, 2008 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Stl94LT1
Just a thought: PAC and Comp's advertised specs are for the beehive springs installed at 1.80". Would installing them at a lower installed height be too hard on the springs?
Possibly but probably not. A lot of the times springs will get fuss points in them if they're setup at a wierd installed height(to close to coil bind, or to far away) but i'm not sure if it would cause one to break. I mean it's possible but i can't say for sure.
Old Apr 1, 2008 | 05:32 PM
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Not worried yet. This is the first I heard of them breaking. I plan on running mine
Old Apr 1, 2008 | 05:45 PM
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I mean does anybody else see a pattern here? We've got 2 other guys who are having valve float problems using these springs that have the exact same cam. And then this guy breaks the same spring those other 2 guys are using with only like 40-50 miles on them....
eric you have to understand there are many more people using the same set up with no problems at all, there is no pattern at all
Old Apr 1, 2008 | 05:48 PM
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Were they heat cycled properly when new? Does the engine get warmed up to temp before getting beat on? Those two things can kill springs.
Old Apr 1, 2008 | 05:53 PM
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Maybe it's just a bad batch of springs or something.
Old Apr 1, 2008 | 06:15 PM
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"Were they heat cycled properly when new?"

When I installed my new Manley beehive springs they spelled out a break in procedure. Basically you had to bring the motor up to operating temperature and not to go over 2500rpm. Then let the motor cool off completely. I followed the procedure and then some. No problems as of yet and have spun the motor to 6500rpm's.
Old Apr 1, 2008 | 06:43 PM
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"Were they heat cycled properly when new?"

When I installed my new Manley beehive springs they spelled out a break in procedure. Basically you had to bring the motor up to operating temperature and not to go over 2500rpm. Then let the motor cool off completely. I followed the procedure and then some. No problems as of yet and have spun the motor to 6500rpm's.
What is the best way to heat cycle the springs?
Old Apr 1, 2008 | 06:47 PM
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Can we get a batch number on the PAC1218, mine are sitting in the box on the shelf across the room.
Old Apr 1, 2008 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by wrd1972
What is the best way to heat cycle the springs?
Straight from Comp Cams website

Breaking In a Spring
1. It is important for new springs to take a heat-set. Never abuse or run the engine at high rpm when the springs are new. Upon initial start-up, limit rpm to 1500 to 2000 until the temperature has reached operating levels. Shut off the engine and allow the springs to cool to room temperature. This usually will eliminate early breakage and prolong spring life. After the spring has been “broken-in”, it is common for it to lose a slight amount of pressure. Once this initial pressure loss occurs, the spring pressure should remain constant unless the engine is abused and the spring becomes overstressed. Then the springs must either be replaced or shimmed to the correct pressure.
Old Apr 1, 2008 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by git_sum
I mean does anybody else see a pattern here? We've got 2 other guys who are having valve float problems using these springs that have the exact same cam. And then this guy breaks the same spring those other 2 guys are using with only like 40-50 miles on them....

I don't think this guy has the high lift version??
Old Apr 2, 2008 | 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by git_sum
I mean does anybody else see a pattern here? We've got 2 other guys who are having valve float problems using these springs that have the exact same cam. And then this guy breaks the same spring those other 2 guys are using with only like 40-50 miles on them....

Me and the other 2 guys does not have the same lobes, lift, duration etc.
Old Apr 2, 2008 | 03:14 AM
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I don't think this guy has the high lift version??
Nope, actually I have about ~.030 less.
Old Apr 2, 2008 | 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by EkS
What's the lift on your cam? I have those springs installed on my LE2 heads, now I'm worried.
I dont think you have to be worried, it´s alot of people running the LE2 heads/cam with the 1218 springs..
Old Apr 2, 2008 | 03:19 AM
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And yes I did heat cycle them to operating temperature atleast 3-4 times before I even took the first road test.

I will try to get my batch reference number later today..
Old Apr 2, 2008 | 07:33 AM
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All i'm saying is yours broke and then 2 other guys with the exact same springs have float problems. So maybe it's just a bad batch or something...



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