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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 05:06 PM
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Wow didn't think I would cause this much of a fuss. Basically my car has alot of work done to it and I NEVER cut corners in anything that I did with my car down to replacing every bit of the ignition with MSD including the opti. It has virtually every other bolt on that you can do to an LT1 including EWP, free mods and what not. The heads are stock LT1's ported as much as possible by a local shop and I can't find my flow numbers right now but they are right on par with comparable AFR's. I believe they flow 288 @ .550. I also have DR's, lower control arms, reloc brackets, and an adjustable torque arm to help me plant the car. When my car put down 340rwhp on the same dyno I ran a 12.8@112 at San Antonio Raceway. I would not call myself a good or a bad driver, just decent. I love my car and have always been surprised by the numbers it has put out on several different dynos. My car is decently light because it is an M6 hardtop with no power options, back seats removed and other stuff. It weighs 3190 without me in it and a 1/4 tank. As for the power I was just happy because I have seen what other LS1's and mustangs do on the very same dyno(at a dyno day) and my car looks good in comparison. I really don't care if some of ya'll believe me or not but I will scan my dyno graph up and show it to ya'll if you want. I should be going to the track as soon as my mickey thompsons come in next week. Sorry that I caused so much fuss, I am 22 now and have had the car since I was 17 and was just proud of her.

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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 05:18 PM
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Don't pay any attention to us. We (I) just want to know how I can get some of those numbers when I see good ones like that. Basically its an envy type of thing. Keep up the good work and keep coming in with your findings and experiences.
Old Mar 22, 2007 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Z-RATED94
This is true about dyno #s, but the way YOU go about telling someone that the #s are not the whole story is a little harsh.
Dyno numbers do not tell the entire story. That's not harsh. That's a fact and it's been proven over and over and over again on this forum. I didn't say his combo sucked. I said dyno numbers (in general) suck. You can't tell me you are that sensitive.

Originally Posted by 96flame
I guess you've never seen a good running hotcam car then. Most guys that buy the hotcam kit do it because its cheap and when they get 330rwhp they're happy. Pushed to the limits with ported heads those numbers are right where they should be.

In order to get good track times the car needs to
1. Get traction suspension mods, sticky tires
2. Be geared, stalled properly for the power band and weight of the car
3. Have a driver thats ran the car many times and is comfortable with it





I'm glad I'm not the only one getting tired of his comments.
Sweet 8lb baby Jesus in a manger....
I never stated I do not believe the numbers. I challenge you to find out where. And your 3 points... again... do your research into my posts and if you can comprehend... I have covered every single one of them.
The fact of the matter is every single time any kind of dyno numbers are posted there is a multipage bitch fest how they are or are not accurate and how one member was able to get 10rwhp more than another and then turnes into a overobnoxious jabber fest of whose setup is better and blah blah blah blah blah...
The other funny trend I've been seeing in the last few years is everyone posting dyno numbers with no ET's. What's the point?
So yes... For the last 10 years I've always been a believer in taking your setup to the track, taking all variables into consideration to figure out the power. It's worked for me. It can work for you too if you get off the dyno bandwagon. So really... what is your point?
Originally Posted by steve9899
Yeah, the extra hundreds of variables you add by taking it to the track make it easier to extrapolate back to HP.
Laugh all you want but the same can be said about a chassis dyno. I did an exeriment back in the late 90's in the DFW area and went to 3 different dynos w/in a week. All with the same exact mods and I'll be damned if I didn't get a 40rwhp variance between all of them!
Old Mar 22, 2007 | 07:35 PM
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Wo When my car put down 340rwhp on the same dyno I ran a 12.8@112 at San Antonio Raceway... It weighs 3190 without me in it and a 1/4 tank.
That mph reads dead on the money with those dyno numbers. Seriously I wish the best for you and hope you can churn out some great ET's!

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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 07:42 PM
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Yea your ET needs to be a lot better. I ran a 13.07 @ 108 with a CAI, catback, tune and Nitto DRs. It takes tons of practice to get the 60ft times down with a M6.
Old Mar 22, 2007 | 08:45 PM
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Yeah I hate to blame it on the track but i was pullin 2.0's on street tires back in the day and all i could pull that night was 2.0's on nitto's... But i have heard nothin but good things about the Mickey Thompsons so we will see. If I can't pull a good 60ft in a week or so with those then i have no excuse!!!! haha. I'll be the first one to call myself out. Until then i'm just roll racin' people, seems to work really good for me so far cause I haven't lost yet in this town, but my day will come I'm sure.
Old Mar 22, 2007 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
That mph reads dead on the money with those dyno numbers. Seriously I wish the best for you and hope you can churn out some great ET's!

Thanks I'll post track numbers as soon as I can. SAR is pretty close to sea level too so the times should be pretty accurate... They have been so far. Thanks to all of yall with the positive posts. I have been on this board for 7 years and it seems like it is just getting more and more FLAMING... But its good to know that there are still a couple of legit people on here.
Old Mar 22, 2007 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
I don't think any of us can come to the conclusion this combo is working well until track times are posted.
Dyno numbers (in general) suck and cannot be trusted to tell the complete story.
Weren't you preaching AI dyno numbers a few months ago?
Old Mar 22, 2007 | 09:18 PM
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Weren't you preaching AI dyno numbers a few months ago?

I highly doubt it. A link would be helpful.
Old Mar 22, 2007 | 09:23 PM
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Shon Herron threads dont brink back memories?
Old Mar 22, 2007 | 09:34 PM
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^^ I was thinking the same......

oh well.....

The dyno vs. track thing I don't see it on most of these cars.....most are street cars, not set up to run a number

I have run faster than people before that dynoed twice what I had at the time
Old Mar 22, 2007 | 10:17 PM
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Shon Herron threads dont brink back memories?
Are you trying to be cutsie? No the, "Shon Herron threads don't brink back memories." As I said a link would be helpful.
I've never had any affiliation or any product by AI so I don't know why I would be "preaching" dyno numbers from them.
You have me confused with someone else.

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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 10:42 PM
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For all those calling BS...there have been three different guys on the Corvette Forum hit 390+ rwhp (dynojet, SAE corrected) with full bolt-ons on stock bottom end 350s using the HOT cam....two of the guys did it w/ 1.7 rockers the other used 1.6rr.
Old Mar 23, 2007 | 04:32 AM
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Thumbs up

Big thumbs up to another hot HOT CAM car. I love that cam in my car. Very nice #'s.
Old Mar 23, 2007 | 10:46 AM
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I'll trust dyno numbers anyday over track times. In my expereince, I've had way more variabliliy at the track than the dyno.

Hmm, lets list variables that you have at the track that can skew your results, that you don't have on the dyno:

Weather
Track prep
Driver experience and skills
Suspension setup
Vehicle Weight
Front tire size...

It would be nice to see the dyno curve though, since it tells much more of the story than just the peak numbers.
From my recollention, the HC peaks in HP over 6000 RPM even with stock heads, so I'm not sure why some of you are calling foul about this.

Dan



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