kids are morons. No way around it. Your insane if you think that in general teens are safe, smart, courtious, and intelligent drivers. Just take a 5 min drive around town, you dont need to belive me. Maybe you can take a look at insurence companies and how they handle bussiness with young drivers. I'm an exception to this stereotype, like others here have said about themselves, but man, you gotta just face it when people that dont know you pass judgements. Haha good job so far with it.

-Fran

 

Hey Im 17, I and I have a camaro.... with a 6 speed. Gee I must be an idiot To all of you who think he shouldnt get a camaro because hes not responsible enough... SHUT UP. A young kid like myself, CAN be responsible enough to drive one of these. No, it isnt typical. As for myself, I learned my lesson off someone elses mistake:

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a kid a year older than me had(well still has) an '02 35th anniversary ed. SS. That car is probably the reason I own mine. I drooled over the thing. On the other hand, I witnessed him torture that thing day after day non-stop. He had basically open headers on it, and 19 out of 20 times he would take off, I gaurantee the tach hit 6k in at least in one gear. Not only this, he did stupid a$$ things like revving the s*** out of it on a cold engine in 10 dg temperatures. (that was hard to watch ) He blew it up at the track when the car was only about a year and half old. I must say, only a chevy wouldve lasted that long. If that guy wasnt 18, You wouldve thought he was torture tester for GM.
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I drove a truck my first year on the road... IM GLAD I DID, most importantly it got the first accident out of the way...

I see you plan on keeping your car for a while...(this is good, you are probably more likely to take care of it more, and abuse it less). Thats cool, I plan on keeping mine for life. If you are serious about keeping the car, dont settle for an automatic or something you dont want. (IMO, an A4 defeats the purpose (no offense to a4'ers)) I had my eyes in the papers for a good year. I found pretty close to exactly what I wanted. I wanted an SS, but got a Z. Thats no big deal to me. I told myself to wait for it to come to me, and Im glad I did.

BTW your friends ticket status means nothing. Ive found that a camaro is not a good car to do the '5 over' thing in much. For the most part I stick to the speed limit. I have had cops try to pull me over for 5 over...3 as a matter of a fact (all in the first week i had the car). all three times i got lucky and they couldnt pull out of the driveway they turned around in because of traffic.
If you want the car, you can get it... but you must respect it.

also to the people who dont think its a good idea in hs... When is a good time? HS you have the time and desire for one. College itll be parked all the time... after college youll probably have no desire for one.

You want the car now, get it now..... but BE SMART (I cant stress that enough).

 

Amen joelius !!! I have set here and read every single thread for this post about to bite my lip plum off, and you say exactly what I am thinking! DO NOT STERYOTIPE!!! There should be a law or something against this! You dont know this guy, he could act just as old as any 30 year old you know and dont try to sound like his dad and tell him what and what not to do! Thas major bu** ****!!! I too am a 16 year old and I have a 96 m6 z28. That car is my baby! I have a buddy with a car just like mine except its a 95'...... he is about 26 or 27 and he dogs the cowboy f*** outa that car! I wont even ride with him! He is constantly racing somebody onthe road and I have never done that! If you old bastards would get off his back and quit trying to tell him what to do maybe you could have time to realize that not all kids are little d**k heads! F*** you very much for your time!

 

I didn't really follow the thread here except for the first page.

I found this in our local sale board!
2001 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS, 6 Speed, Clean, 350HP, PIC - $14990
http://www.craigslist.org/sby/car/22180040.html

My for-sale (pickup only though )
http://www.norcal-ls1.com/forum/show...threadid=27055

IMHO - if you are going to spend $10-15K, you should just be patient and wait to get what you want. Or else pay like $3K for a 95 Z then just built the motor and the tranny yourself.

Follow your dreams ... after careful considerations.

 

At my ripe old age of 30 I will pass on the wisdom my father once passed on to my mom the morning before he told me I no longer had to drive my station wagon and he bought me my second car (68 Road Runner with a 383). Qouting my dad " The kid is going to drive fast no matter what car we get him. We might as well get him a car that was designed to go fast. He will be less likely to wreck it when he is acting like a jack ***." A kid is going to drive as fast as he can any chance he gets, do you want him driving that fast in the family station wagon or a 4th gen. f-body? Do not forget these cars are as good at getting you out of trouble as they are at getting you into troouble.


jim

 

Haveing an F body as your first car is NOT a good idea, but it depends on the person i'm 17 and I got mine my junior year but this is also my third car i've been driveing since I was 14 and went through a 83 bronco running on 5 cylinders with cracked heads that I was terrified to get on the highway with because it would barely do 70 to a car that makes so much torque so fast its still hard to control. An F-Body IMO is not just a fast car I used to have a GTP with a pully that probably made arround 260hp or so, but it was in no way an F body and it was much more tuned for every day drive and it was capable of moveing in the snow. Camaro's can be incredibly hard to control to much throttle dosn't just send you to 60mph real fast it sends you spining if your not aimed right. There are a lot of fast car's but a camaro's just a different kind of animal.

 

some of you 16-17 year old posters will eat your words in a few years. you don't realize it now, but pretty much all teenagers are hard headed 'know it all's' and will not listen to rationalization.. you'll grow out of it eventually and realize when you first started driving you did some dumbass ****, this is not to say that some people do not grow up, because there are a fair share of older guys that cannot drive.

anyway, the point everyone is getting across is that *most* younger guys with a somewhat powerful car are going to do some stupid dangerous ****. and a majority of the guys on this board speak from experience.

 

My first car was a 1994 pontiac firebird V6 automatic. It looked nice but I almost cried myself to sleep every night, that automatic and underpowered V6 were killing me. So I joined the airforce after a while and bought my own '94 Z28 6 speed. first day out I pulled 120mph weaving through traffic with, no kidding, centimeters between bumpers. Afterwords I wondered what the f*ck I was doing! I was possessed! Not my driving character at all. I was lucky to have survived that day of driving. I say let him get his ridiculously but beautifully overpowered piece of machinery. Everybody laugh at him when he wraps it around a pole and hopefully get ejected through the amply thick windshield. But cry for the loss of yet another piece of mechanical
artistry at the hands of a CHILD who "knows what he is doing".
Integras, Tiberons, and f-bodys dont even belong in the same sentance(Lord forgive me).
System?
Ground effects?
Exhaust that comes out of the "words"(THE'RE JUST WORDS TO HIM!!!) in the back?
Dumb sh*t.
Go buy a shwinn.
-Dan I feel so much better now

 

I remember my first car, an '88 Conquest TSI. I spent all summer looking for one that I could afford. I bought it with 46,000 miles and put about 50,000 on it in the two years I owned it. I learned a lot from that car. I learned how to fix it, a little about modifying it, and I also learned how to respect it. I'll never forget getting stuck in a snowstorm the first winter. I lived in Pennsylvania and I couldn't get home because there was a long hill that it wouldn't get up. The front wheel drive cars were all making it. I had to find another (long and slow) route home that night. I also remember the poor mileage it got, and the how I could make the tires spin in the rain just by flooring it in fifth and letting the turbo spool up.

Sure, I did some dumb things in that car (It could beat the third gen Camaro's and Fox-body 'Stangs of the day), but I learned a lot from that car. And, I'm still alive 10 years later.

Don't flame the kid for wanting to buy the car. There's nothing wrong with a young kid wanting a fast car. Even if he buys it and wrecks it a month later, it will be a good experience for him. He'll learn some things and be wiser in the long run.

The only thing I'm curious about is whether he has checked with the insurance companies yet.

 

I took my daughters Eclipse away and sold it because she could not be responsable. It does not matter what the car is, a person is going to drive rersponsable or not, regardless of age or what they drive. Get what you want, shop around till you find it, good luck with what ever you get, just remeber it is a killer if you are careless with it.

 

yep, the two worst drivers at my hs (IMO) drive cavaliers... they run red lights and completely disregard the speed limit... among other things. I even have a video of one of them neutral dropping it in the parking lot with the e-brake set. ( )

 

It will cost between 2K and 3K, it is not all that difficult a job, it is time consuming, however.

 

Im sorry but all i did was ask for a little advice and help nothing about a f******* movie or about my age. Maybe when u were younger you were a total f*** up and counld't drive. Thats not my fault. If you cant help then f*** off if all ur going to do is feed me bull s*** then f*** u. You probably have no clue about what ur talking about anyways. And when i say i know how to drive, trust me i know how to drive, thats all i do, if you cant handle that then f**** off. You guys are the one's that are the a-holes, you dont know who i am there for have no clue what im like, on the other hands you all sound like you dont have a single cent of sense, You F*** all of you all

 

Mr. Personalty!

I'm sure people will be charmed by your response, and I'm equally certain, you'll have many offers of help in the future.

 

Mass profanity shows the IQ yet again.......

Joe