I have the BMR bolt-ins and the lowest setting is a tad bit towards the front of the car, not straight down from the first setting holes. I think most are like this.

Jay

-- and they did help me a great bit. I lowered it with the Pro kit and but re-valved bilsteins on and the car was great from a roll but from a dea stop I could not get any traction. Once I put on the relocation brackets the car still spun A LITTLE, but after that it really took pretty well. I could feel the nose of the car rise up again on take off. I think these are wll worth the money and time. I could definetely feel a difference afterwards.--