Hey urbaNHunter: Just out of curiousity, but what springs are you running? (I hope that's not proprietary information too) There are a few really aggressive HR lobe sets from Comp in the 22X/23X - 10X LSA range that I've found that will beat the crap out of any beehive you might be using, according to those in the know. I hope you don't have one of those, or have a really stout spring set-up. How often were you advised to check/replace springs?

You said a "ton of power"...how much are we talking? Have you spun the engine up to the upper end of the RPM range a lot already? How many miles with the new cam? Got any track time or dyno time with the new set-up?

 

LOL, funny how I've been able to make them live 20,000+ miles then. I must have some magic recipe and a secret batch of springs that I use.

I would love to see these examples that "you" have found from your own personal experience. Or is it now professional? I didn't know that valve springs are now part of an architect’s domain?

When someone says things like this without any substance behind it and without showing examples of either the said problem running another cam setup or a setup of mine it's done to mislead people into buying into the myth that this could happen. I also like the addition of the "10X LSA range" like the LSA has anything to do with the spring life or valve control. Again just another example of purposefully targeting my products and/or customers directly.

With the addition of comments like "I hope you have a really stout spring set-up" it's very obvious to those of us who know what makes springs live and work in a valvetrain that this comment is 100% made to mislead consumers away from something. "Stout" or what I guess is meant to mean "strong" is not a quality that is quantifiable in a valve spring, so I guess when you say something like that maybe you should give examples of what you mean? Are you talking spring load/pressure? Why is that?

The funny part is that these things are said just too either spread false information and/or to get a reaction from me. If you really want to get into a technical debate on valvetrains, that's fine by me but unfortunately I know you’re not qualified and your motives are always to slander me. Nice try.

Bret

PS the senseless trolling around threads of customers of mine is pointless, you are disrespectfull to them and in the end all you do is bring the thread up to the top and put my name out there more and more, which seems to be opposite of what your intentions seem to be. Nobody wants you to ruin their thread.

 

Is your screen name urbaNHunter?

Unfortunately for you, I don't have to have an ounce of qualification to ask a question about valvesprings.

Since you brought it up, let's talk about YOUR qualifications. We're listening.

 

I posted the information to qualify the lobes I believe you ordered for this cam - nothing more. Never said LSA in and of itself had anything to do with spring life or valve control - nice try to twist around what was posted, Bert.

Why don't you post the lobes you ordered with this cam and prove all us doubters wrong - that this cam won't destroy the valvetrain prematurely? Or are the lobes posted in the catalogs proprietary information? We sure as hell know you don't design these damn things.

 

I am running Bret's LE4 cam on my 383 - this car idles fine, has good low end torque, and pulls very hard up to 7k rpm. At my last event I won nasa TTA - running with what I later found was a blown head gasket - propelled my 3400 lb brick to about 155 mph on the straight where it would do 125 stock. He has always been prompt to answer questions- I recommend his stuff to anyone.

Tim

 

Thanks for finally coming out and making it clear that what you want are the lobe numbers for Bret's cam(s). It has taken you quite a while to say it in so many words. It confirms what a few of us suspected.

Hey, the kid didn't just fall off the turnip truck. The apple also didn't fall too far from the tree.

Suggestion:

Why don't you just buy a few of his cams, get them "doctored" and begin a systematic search through the lobe catalogs, both the public and the private ones and try to match up lobes. As long as they aren't proprietary lobes, designed by the cam company for a specific customer, you may very well figure them out. It isn't cheap to have the cam company design a proprietary lobe, but they certainly will and have the expertise and software suites to do it well.

I have noticed that many folks, who are more interested in how well their cars run than lobe numbers or maximum CFM of a port on a flow bench, keep posting positive things about parts they buy that work. You might call them satisfied customers...well at least I might. In a successful business, they are essential. They are also the best advertising money can't buy.

You could always bribe me to give you the numbers. I'm not cheap, but it is quicker and easier than your other alternatives. You can email me at jbauer1@stny.rr.com I can accept PayPal.

I'm not Superman, however. He never lies.

I feel strongly that if urbaNHunter44 has valvetrain issues we'll hear about them. It he doesn't we may also hear about it. I wish him well in his quest.

Again, thanks for coming...clean on your intentions.

Jon (not Jack) Bauer

 

As for how much power, no dyno or track time yet. I'm trying to figure out a misfire issue at the moment. I'm afraid I'll have to swap the opti again, but it's not that big of a deal. We'll see. My assometer says it's much faster with little to no loss of the low end and much better top end. I took it to about 6300 (stock tach sucks) and it was still pulling. I'll be sure to post real results when I have them.

Also smog is not an issue. I won't go into details there though.. The design of the cam was NOT made to pass smog, don't let my previous comments infer that. I specifically said that smog was not an issue to Bret. My comments of it possibly passing are based on the fact that I've seen larger duration cams pass locally, but I won't even bother trying.

As for my springs they're 918s (old ones that won't break). I have brand new LS7 lifters, comp cams pushrods and pro magnum rocker arms. If I have any issues, Bret is going to be the first one I e-mail.

I don't know why these things always turn into a flamefest, Bret is a great guy and very knowledgable. I spoke to alot of people when I was looking for a cam and Bret was the one who was willing to answer my questions and got me what I feel is a great camshaft. Make no mistake, I will post results as soon as I have them. And also know that I would not hesitate to order from Bret again.

So let's see if we can keep this civil?

 

I've been comparing your idle to the Comp MuthaThumpr. I like yours better..but I'm prejudiced. Their video is LOUDER anyway.

http://www.compcams.com/Base/MultiMe...tha_Thumpr.wma


Jon

 

urbaNHunter, Sorry for even answering this on your thread. Again another great thread hijack.

Last time I checked when a engine builder called up and said he wants a cam made for a combination that he builds a lot of, it cost $2,500 to get a cam and all the info on how to replicate that cam exactly (that means lobe numbers).... the deal is you dyno the cam and if it doesn't do what you wanted I'll refund $2,000 but I'm not telling you what the cam was or the lobe numbers, because why would you want to replicate a cam that didn't work?

I accept PayPal.

As for credentials.... BTDT with you already. There are a lot that I can't name because they don't want others to know but here is a neat example https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=550807
I guess I'm just in nobody company being part of that project.

Otherwise you can just guess what the lobes are and you can take what you "learn" off the net to try and pontificate your way to what works and what doesn't. Otherwise all the proof that I need that "this cam won't destroy the valvetrain prematurely" is the track record I have of similar setups having ZERO issues. That's a significant number of them running the same or very similar style lobes with ZERO problems as long as they are installed properly.

In fact why don't YOU call up PAC Racing springs and talk to Chris or Doug about beehive valvespring life. My talk with Chris last week was that the only 1218 beehive that he or I has ever seen fail on a engine was a set that a local engine builder ran on a solid flat tappet dirt track motor. It wasn't one of my cams BTW and he changed rocker ratio against my advice on just the exhaust valves and ended up having a problem with all of the exhaust springs. Chris will have that exact spring in his possesion here shortly to do a failure analysis on.

In the end it doesn't suprise me that your not getting into a technical discussion and your not asking any questions either.

Either way this is funny and a great way to prove you wrong at every turn. Thanks for helping me out!

Bret

 

proof positive is the fact that all i have ever seen,heard or read has
and have been POSITIVE feedback about Bret!
Lloyd Elliot speaks HIGHLY of Bret!
Chad at Golen speaks highly of both Lloyd and Bret,so at this point
i would have to say there is plenty respect earned.

there will always be opinionated people,which is ok. when a person
works to satisfy their customers and support them AFTER a sale, as
the forementioned. those are the ones that have a passion about the
hobby,if a person has a specific cam style for a specific level, that person
has spent the time to be sure that it will give maximum performance
who cares what he charges either you want it or you dont!

 

oh sweet jesus...another blind follower Good luck to you, sir.

 

I want your lobe numbers?? Haha, that's funny. FWIW, I have your Comp cam orders already, and unless you have a ton of empiracle data, these poor kids you spec cams for are nothing more than guinea pigs. Try this lobe, then that one and see how long they live. Really sad. How long was it until you jokers figured out the lobes Comp tells everyone else to not run on a street engine fail miserable deaths in a street application in cams you spec? Or the solid roller lobes you spec'd for a HR application?

This information I gleaned is nothing more than humor for me, and possibly information that many may want to use to to file a class action lawsuit against you posers. No credentials, no results and yet you perpetuate the myth that you actually do this for a living, and are professionals. Incredible, or incredibly sad. Either way, it's these poor followers that suffer in the end.

Bribe you for numbers? To what, the library catalog numbers to your silly literary references? You jokers pick out lobes, plug them into a $30 desktop dyno and think you're cam gods - regardless of application or longevity in the real world.

Go back to machining whatever parts you machine and leave cam specification, and engine building for that matter, to guys who actually have a clue.

 

A gaggle of high 300 to low 400rwhp dyno cars running mid to high 12's @ 107 to 110mph aren't enough results?

 

I'll take your response as you are not interested in buying a cam from Bret, at least at this time.

 

Oh no I'm gonna get sued by people who don't even buy my cams now!!! OMG! Now I sound like Chicken Little!

"Bret Bauer...I have worked with Bret on some past projects. His ability to adapt is second to none. When I presented this project to Bret I asked for C/FIA power BUT the valvetrain had to be cotton soft. These cars are abused! Any possibility to remove the daunting tasks of checking lash, springs, Pushrods... We needed to make this easy and Bret did just that! Providing a proprietary Hydraulic roller for the task." -Dennis @ AirFlowDevelopment

I'll have to call up Dennis on my way down to NC to see some customers and ask if he wants to get in on that class action suit! He didn't seem really happy when he told me that he didn't know how much higher he wanted to turn the LS dragster on the dyno, he was getting scared to twist a stock bottom end any higher than 7400rpm! (Yes I realize that it was a stock bottom end, but the valvetrain was still working up there so the power didn't drop like a rock)

I guess I just don't know what I'm doing making hyd rollers stable to well into the high 7000rpm range on stock lifters.... maybe I should take some notes from Vizzard in the new Pop Hot Rodding, then I can just sacrafice over 1000rpm in valvetrain stability.

Honestly I really find it funny how much you look into what I do. I'm also so glad you have all these contacts at Comp to tell you how wrong I am and this **** just will not work.

Bret