From the looks of it you are continuing w/ the flamboyant sensationalistic babble as if you think you really dug something up. Keep digging. Not phased in the slightest. However really... if you can, please try to stay on topic. I see you have posted equations that I'm not even sure you understand.
What I can see is the equations stand by what I say that horsepower is a measure of work yet you are claiming I am wrong. Very interesting.
I think I'm just going to have to walk away for now.. If this is still open this afternoon then I'll see what I can do with this mess, but for now my frontal lobe hurts.

 

How about you two knock it off before someone finally gets irritated enough with your antics?

 

That probably happens often....

If you want to claim HorsePOWER is still work, go ahead.... that just fits in well with the rest of your dillusions of hardened pushrods and Comp R lifters.

Bret

PS Phantom... sorry about that but Brians whole deal is doing this on every message board he gets on. I addressed that in the middle of my long post there with the link to the corvette forum.

 

I'll make this extremely simple even for you to understand especially since my head is all ready to explode...

Everything... the equations, the "Work/Time = Power" stands by exactly what I said in that power is a measure of work. Power or work being the end result of a given force (torque) for a given amount of time- measurement.
NOTHING of what you stated claims hp and torque are one in the same. I am slightly disturbed you would believe such a thing.
I will save your torque wrench to engine thingy for another time or day.

 

Let's keep it civil, guys.

Bret, there's no reason to make a post with an insult followed by an apology to the moderators.



Cheers.

 

 

Here's another little tidbit since we're on a Wikipedia phase:
Sure reads like a measure of work to me. How about you?
Now lets not get confused here. The 22,000 foot-pounds is doing nothing until force is applied for a given amount of time to move that 22,000 foot-pounds. What does that equate to? HORSEPOWER!

 

READING IS FUNDAMENTAL.......

Work = Force x Distance

Power = Work / Time = (Force x Distance) / Time

Hence Power does not equal Work

 

Mike,

Anytime you guys want to close this it's fine with me. Otherwise looking at Brian's past behavior there is no way this thread will come close to civil. I already said this will take about 10 pages just to get the point across..... just like it does with every other topic he is wrong about.... hardened pushrods, Comp R's etc...

He can troll around on threads and attack me all he wants, if you want to prevent insults then lock the thread, that's the only thing I can see that will work.

Bret

 

quoted for truth, although there are a lot of fast 4 and 6 bangers out there.

 

This is LT1 land, so stay on your side of the fence please.......


Thanx

 

I don't know enough about the horsepower and torque stuff to get involved in that argument. What I do know is that if you're interested in having more sex with hot women, get an LT1. Otherwise, an LSx car should be fine.

 

For the record I've had two combinations with the above mentioned components. The LPE combo had ~$30.00 LPE hardened pushrods. They worked flawlessly for 70,000+ miles. As I've said several times before those pushrods work with mild combinations. Perhaps because the valvetrain was set up correctly with the correct geometry?
The second combo can be read about in the infamous "Comp R" thread where I supply my opinion as to why mine lasted with success and are still in tact. I had pics, but since switching carriers those pics are gone.
Those two mentioned parts work so really.. there's no way I am wrong.
Sorry about the ban. Hopefully it's not permanent.

 

I only read a few pages of this thread, and I got rather tired of seeing everyone argue over what is better. The initial question presented was not, "Which is better, LS1 ot Lt1" it was whether or not the Lt1 was a fun motor.

I own a 95 Z28 m6, and my Best friend has a 98 SS m6. I drive both of them all the time. There are a few differences in the cars. Nothing major. If someone is looking strictly to go from a 3rd gen to a 4th gen, then I would suggest an Lt1, as its based on the same motor as all SBC's. less of a culture shock in the transition. If you want a car to be a complete beast out of the box and money isn't an issue, go with the LS1.

I have been building my 95, and had a ton of fun doing it. I bought my car cash and never had to worry about the financial aspect of it. I usually have cash to mod/fix things as I please.

My friend had to get a Car payment and All the insurance BS associated with it. He usually doeant have the cash to mod/fix his car. His carbeing an OBD2 setup, he has issues. I have OBD1, and I dont run into as many of the BS issues that he does.

I like my car because of the lower end power. However, On the highway I like his better. My car I think has a better feeling on the street. His seems like it takes a bit between shifts to really get that go fast feeling again.

Aside from motors, they are basically the same car. Front ends are diff, and interiors,and brakes but everything else is the same.

Same tranny, Rear end, suspension, same platform. Only diff is what interior you like, what engine you like, and what front end you like better.

Personally I am happy with my Lt1. I don't like the rounded front of the 98+, and I love the fact that my engine has 50+ years of research into it. The Ls1 is newer, and seems to be the basis for all new GM engines, however you can not disregard the fact that GM is what it is today because they have the longest running, and best built push rod v8 in the world.

Oh and just a bit of trivia... an Lt1 is a true 350 V8. The LS1 is a push rod V8, but it's no 350. It only claims to be. It's actually 346 Ci I think.

 

This is true.