How far will 24lb injectors go?
current combo:396CI,12 to 1,Ported AFR heads,CC305,soon to be 306,52mm TB,3.42 gears,street driven,so far best time on motor 12.1@114,full bodied 3700#,i have 24# injectors currently,doesnt seem to be running lean up top,have gone 128 Mph on a 175 shot,24#'s seem to be doing the job but do u think power will go up with 30's? CJ
I paid $219 for 30# Ford Motorsports injectors. On an LT1, the injectors come out closer to 32-33#, because Ford rates them at 38 psi (vs. the 43.5 psi on an LT1).
I didn't see anyone answer the amount of horse power a 24# injector was worth. Or did I not read the other answers correctly. well here goes.
The formula is Hp= lb/hr flow rate x 8 injectors x .8 (80% efficiency) divided by 0.5 (BSFC) efficiency of the engine.
So 24 x 8 x.8 / 0.5 yields 307 hp.
So maybe the answer to your question is 307 HP.
If you rearrange the formula for injector size you get:
inj flow rate = engine Hp x 0.5 / 8 x 0.8 or
Inj F R = eng Hp x 0.5 / 6.4
You have to know what your expected hp is going to be.
The formula is Hp= lb/hr flow rate x 8 injectors x .8 (80% efficiency) divided by 0.5 (BSFC) efficiency of the engine.
So 24 x 8 x.8 / 0.5 yields 307 hp.
So maybe the answer to your question is 307 HP.
If you rearrange the formula for injector size you get:
inj flow rate = engine Hp x 0.5 / 8 x 0.8 or
Inj F R = eng Hp x 0.5 / 6.4
You have to know what your expected hp is going to be.
Originally posted by llafro
So if I read this right, you have several thousand dollars worth of parts in that setup. Just the AFR heads have to be around $2000. So what's the big deal about getting a set of 30# injectors? Why are you willing to risk damage to that expensive motor to save a couple hundred dollars?
I paid $219 for 30# Ford Motorsports injectors. On an LT1, the injectors come out closer to 32-33#, because Ford rates them at 38 psi (vs. the 43.5 psi on an LT1).
So if I read this right, you have several thousand dollars worth of parts in that setup. Just the AFR heads have to be around $2000. So what's the big deal about getting a set of 30# injectors? Why are you willing to risk damage to that expensive motor to save a couple hundred dollars?
I paid $219 for 30# Ford Motorsports injectors. On an LT1, the injectors come out closer to 32-33#, because Ford rates them at 38 psi (vs. the 43.5 psi on an LT1).
Those online "how to size injector" formulas tend to be extremely conservative. A well tuned NA performance motor should produce BSFC's well below 0.50 #/HR/HP. 0.45 isn't unusual. Also, consider that GM uses 24.9 #/HR in the stock programming for the stock injectors. Just making those two minor tweeks moves the limit up to 355HP. Push the duty cycle to 85%, and 375HP is the number. So.... 307HP isn't quite correct. There are too many people making over 400HP on stock injectors, at stock pressure. I personally wouldn't push an injector to 90-100% duty cycle, because its likely you are risking HP loss. My recommendation would be to go to a 30# injector over 375 flywheelHP. Go to a 36# injector over 475 flywheel HP. 42# over 575 flywheel.
And those are the limits for stock fuel pressure (43.5psi). Go to 58psi, and the numbers become:
24# max: 440HP
30# max: 550HP
36# max: 660HP
Just to clarify one of the comments made in a post above, the Bosch/FMS/SVO injectors are flow rated at 2.7 bar (39.15psi). Running them at 43.5psi does net you about a 5% gain in flow. A 30# injector will flow about 31.6# at 43.5psi.
As far as saying you can run a 175-shot on the 24's.... it means nothing if it is a wet nitrous system, since you aren't using the injectors for the extra fuel. Do you run a wet system, or dry?
As far as the comments about the tuner knowing what he was doing and saying:
First, we'll assume he said "750-800 milliVolts", not "750-800 volts". Second, stock narrow band sensors are simply not accurate at the kinds of A/F ratios you need for peak torque and power, and a knowledgable tuner won't rely on them. But... as a general guideline, an NA setup properly tuned is probably going to be ROUGHLY in the range of 850-900mV, and an engine running spray is going to be wayyyy richer than that to stay in one piece.... well over 900mV's. Run a heavy shot of juice at 750mV on a stock narrow band sensor, and you will most likely be picking up the pieces.
And those are the limits for stock fuel pressure (43.5psi). Go to 58psi, and the numbers become:
24# max: 440HP
30# max: 550HP
36# max: 660HP
Just to clarify one of the comments made in a post above, the Bosch/FMS/SVO injectors are flow rated at 2.7 bar (39.15psi). Running them at 43.5psi does net you about a 5% gain in flow. A 30# injector will flow about 31.6# at 43.5psi.
As far as saying you can run a 175-shot on the 24's.... it means nothing if it is a wet nitrous system, since you aren't using the injectors for the extra fuel. Do you run a wet system, or dry?
As far as the comments about the tuner knowing what he was doing and saying:
...he told me the 02 voltage always maintains between 750-800 volts which is not lean,even on spray...
Last edited by Injuneer; Nov 17, 2003 at 10:55 PM.
First, we'll assume he said "750-800 milliVolts", not "750-800 volts". Second, stock narrow band sensors are simply not accurate at the kinds of A/F ratios you need for peak torque and power, and a knowledgable tuner won't rely on them. But... as a general guideline, an NA setup properly tuned is probably going to be ROUGHLY in the range of 850-900mV, and an engine running spray is going to be wayyyy richer than that to stay in one piece.... well over 900mV's. Run a heavy shot of juice at 750mV on a stock narrow band sensor, and you will most likely be picking up the pieces.
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