Drivetrain Loss on a M6???????
I got the following results by comparing my engine dyno numbers (when the setup was still a T56) to the chassis dyno numbers:
Flywheel HP - % drivetrain loss
500HP - 12.6%
635HP - 12.3%
765HP - 12.1%
Thats with a Street Twin/steel flywheel, 3" chrome moly DS and Strange 12-bolt/3.73's
Flywheel HP - % drivetrain loss
500HP - 12.6%
635HP - 12.3%
765HP - 12.1%
Thats with a Street Twin/steel flywheel, 3" chrome moly DS and Strange 12-bolt/3.73's
Originally posted by stereomandan
I've always thought it was around 10.5% since the LT1 is rated at 285 fwhp and dynoes around 255 rwhp.
255/285 = 0.895
1.0-0.895 = 0.105
0.105*100 = 10.5%
Dan
I've always thought it was around 10.5% since the LT1 is rated at 285 fwhp and dynoes around 255 rwhp.
255/285 = 0.895
1.0-0.895 = 0.105
0.105*100 = 10.5%
Dan
1. The factory "rating" represents the actual flywheel HP - not necessarily so. And, allow for variations in HP among a large sample of cars.
2. All M6 285HP rated cars dyno at 255rwHP - they don't.
Originally posted by Injuneer
I got the following results by comparing my engine dyno numbers (when the setup was still a T56) to the chassis dyno numbers:
Flywheel HP - % drivetrain loss
500HP - 12.6%
635HP - 12.3%
765HP - 12.1%
Thats with a Street Twin/steel flywheel, 3" chrome moly DS and Strange 12-bolt/3.73's
I got the following results by comparing my engine dyno numbers (when the setup was still a T56) to the chassis dyno numbers:
Flywheel HP - % drivetrain loss
500HP - 12.6%
635HP - 12.3%
765HP - 12.1%
Thats with a Street Twin/steel flywheel, 3" chrome moly DS and Strange 12-bolt/3.73's
Those are nice solid confirmed drivetrain loss numbers though. Not necessarily the same for everyone, but it gives a pretty good idea!
Originally posted by stereomandan
I've always thought it was around 10.5% since the LT1 is rated at 285 fwhp and dynoes around 255 rwhp.
255/285 = 0.895
1.0-0.895 = 0.105
0.105*100 = 10.5%
Dan
I've always thought it was around 10.5% since the LT1 is rated at 285 fwhp and dynoes around 255 rwhp.
255/285 = 0.895
1.0-0.895 = 0.105
0.105*100 = 10.5%
Dan
Originally posted by Pasky
Thats because the lt1 is really rated at 300hp.
Thats because the lt1 is really rated at 300hp.
Originally posted by Injuneer
Flywheel HP - % drivetrain loss
500HP - 12.6%
635HP - 12.3%
765HP - 12.1%
Thats with a Street Twin/steel flywheel, 3" chrome moly DS and Strange 12-bolt/3.73's
Flywheel HP - % drivetrain loss
500HP - 12.6%
635HP - 12.3%
765HP - 12.1%
Thats with a Street Twin/steel flywheel, 3" chrome moly DS and Strange 12-bolt/3.73's
450HP - 13.0%
Stock clutch/flywheel/rear.
Dave
As you can see, and as makes for complete common sense, drivetrain loss is not a simple "%" - one-size-fits-all number. The drivetrain losses are made up of "fixed" components that do not change with engine HP (e.g. - inertia losses to rotating elements), and those that are roughly proportional to the power being transmitted (e.g. - gear and bearing friction losses).
For a stock engine, the % for an M6 may be closer to 13.5-14%. But I definitely wouldn't use the old rule of thumb "15% for manuals, 20% for automatics". The stock LT1 drivetrain is more efficient than that.
And, just to drop some more numbers, when I replaced the T56 with a TH400 and a loose, non-locking convertor:
500fwHP = 19.8%
635fwHP = 20.2%
765fwHP = 21.3%
That means 70 less rwHP at max flywheelHP.
For a stock engine, the % for an M6 may be closer to 13.5-14%. But I definitely wouldn't use the old rule of thumb "15% for manuals, 20% for automatics". The stock LT1 drivetrain is more efficient than that.
And, just to drop some more numbers, when I replaced the T56 with a TH400 and a loose, non-locking convertor:
500fwHP = 19.8%
635fwHP = 20.2%
765fwHP = 21.3%
That means 70 less rwHP at max flywheelHP.
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