Then can you lock the thread sir or should we continue the pros and cons of getting implants for our girlfriends?

Bad thing is mine needs a personality implant first then b**bies!

 

natural aspiration is the topic right? So we are discussing how to aspirate an engine, get air in it as the motor naturally would do without assistance. The way i see it is the intake valve opens cylinder drops creating a vacuum and the naturaul atmospheric pressure being higher, it pushes air in, air mixed with deisel fumes, or smoke from the ford that burning oil in front of you or nitrous oxide. Whatever may be in the air at the time.

So nitrous just happens to be in the air being sucked in at the time, does this mean something is forcing more air into the motor? No.

So you people are arguing that if something is mixxed with the air its no longer natural. Well hell then no car in california can be n/a cause of all the smog in the air, mother nature didnt produce that smog did she? SO its not natural. ANyone driving behind a deisel or any other car for that matter cant be n/a either according to your argument.

Well i guess no one except some nature freak in a land rover in the rain forrest is N/A then. HUH WHO WOULDA THOUGHT!

 

whos doin personality implants these days anyways?

im surprised the thread has gotten this much attention.

 

I think i would take mine to Doctor Kavorkin

 

already taken all my grandparents to him. he didnt do that good of a job...

 

Ding , Ding , Ding, . Correct.


Well said.

I think that is the problem "they" are stuck on. The keep bringing up the aspiration part, but look past the natural part.


A 400 hp engine can not naturually take in 600 hp worth of oxygen. It can as they keep saying can aspirtate it , but NOT NATURALLY.

Atmospheric pressure cannot put enough oxygen in a 400hp Lt1 combo make 600 hp. The extra 200 is indeed ASPIRATED, BUT!! BY """ UNATURAL MEANS""". The engine needs help other that what the natural atmosphere can provide to the get the extra 200.

 

You're stuck on the "natural" part......Natural is using atmospheric pressure. That's it. It doesn't matter what comes in through the intake as long as the atmosphere is pushing it through, not boost, it's still naturally aspirated, I'll say it once again for the people who don't read ATMOSPHERIC PRESSURE FILLING THE CYLINDERS, I.E. NATURAL BREATHING.

 

LOL..."no you are" "huh uh you are" "no you are" "i'm telling mom" LOL this thread took a turn for the worse it seems, no one is going to be able to be convinced which way so why bother trying anymore. If it's the case of "atmospheric presure pushing it through, then i say ram air transams should have to run in "forced induction" class because it's not the atmosphere itself pushing the air into the cars intake. Is the presure in the nitrous line higher than 1atm? I'm pretty sure it is, that means when it enters the intake, it would be helping the flow.

William

 

OK! Thats it! Im gonna start saying that supercharged motors are now all motor because once you install the S/C, its on the motor ...Therefore its all motor! How do you like that?

 

LOL, I'm with you! From now on, my car is considered bone STOCK...with a few bolt-ons of course!

The fact of the matter remains; regardless of your definition of N/A, if you run somebody "N/A" or "all motor" and you spray, you're naturally going to get your a** kicked in the pits! That's universally accepted...

 

I think it is funny how Will69Camaro posted several times after his post saying he wouldn't post any more.

Seal, N2O is not another form of compressed air. Compressed, yes. Air, no. Read up a little bit and see how it works.

And the fuel injection theory is not applicable in this argument. When the term "naturally aspirated" is used, the only variable in question is air delivery. I don't care if it is carburated, fuel injected, or you have a small elf(even smaller than normal) pouring gas directly into the intake; in no way is fuel delivery going to change whether a car is n/a or not.

Sure, nitrous is forced induction. By chemical means, you force more oxygen into the motor. You make the motor inhale more oxygen than it can naturally.

The smog metaphor was terrible. Those are circumstances beyond our control. You do however, control if your motor sucks in 150 extra hp.

Guess what that means; N20 does not = N/A.

:Flame suit on:

 

I keep responding because i posted this on a local board and it sparked my interests again I like the exlaination (sp) you give it makes sense. LOL more sense then the guy on the local board i posted it on saying that N20 "freezes the air and delivers a block of frozen air into the cylinder" LOL

William

 

"Forced Induction" is the process of using a mechanical system to "force" more air into an engine. This includes Superchargers, Turbochargers, Nitrious systems, and other mechanical systems, but not hood scoops which just direct outside air into the engine. Both Superchargers and Turbos use a compressor to "force" air into the engine, making it more dense (i.e. more oxygen). When a proportionately larger amount of fuel is added to the denser air charge, the mixture creates a much larger explosion and thus more power from the engine. Nitrous Oxide Systems ("NOS") works by directly injecting Nitrous Oxide (NO2) into the engine. The higher concentration of oxygen found in NO2 (compared to air) and more fuel leads to the same effect as Superchargers and Turbos. Although the basic concepts are similar, each differs in their design and execution.

 

Guess this is a classic case of thread jacking. Seems the origional poster could care less about the pis**ing contest people have started. My only thought on the matter is ever wonder why NASCAR dont allow fuel injection?

Not to settle this once and for all lets do a conference call to Miss Cleo. Right or wrong what ever her answer is that is it. To join the conference call at 10:01 CST call 1-900-YOU-STFU

 

Are you guys really serious about this argument?

What difference does it make? Who friggin' cares?