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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 11:13 AM
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Cm 612 valve springs

I have heard that they are prone to breakage, but I cant seem to find out why. Is it because people are using them in a to high of lift application, or is it just a sub par part? Thanks Eric L
Old Nov 29, 2008 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Prorac1
I have heard that they are prone to breakage, but I cant seem to find out why. Is it because people are using them in a to high of lift application, or is it just a sub par part? Thanks Eric L
I remember this being a problem about 4 or 5 years ago....
Old Nov 30, 2008 | 10:05 AM
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My guess is that the wire used in the spring is too brittle for hyd roller set ups and the springs just break even when set up properly on mild cams.

All single wound springs (other than bee hives) have a sepcific RPM that they go "hay wire" at and can't control the valve. Could be every 1600 RPM (1600, 3200, 4800, 6400 RPM, etc) or could be every 2133 RPM (2133, 4266, 6399, etc). It varies for every spring but this DOES happen.

Maybe this spring has a "hay wire" RPM that is more frequent than others or maybe it stays in this "hay wire" RPM longer than other springs or maybe the 'hay wire" RPM just happens to coincide with a popular cruise RPM and that destroys the spring. Not sure "why" they break but they do.

They are inexpensive, have good pressure and look good on paper but in the real world, they are not a good choice.

If using a mid 220 duration cam with .550 lift and spinning 6200-6300 RPM (CC 503, CC 305, GM 846, etc), I would go with these springs.

http://competitionproducts.com/prodi...p?number=98213

or a better option -

http://competitionproducts.com/prodi...p?number=98215

I would NOT use these springs on ANY XFI lobes or ANY cam spinning over 6300 RPM (CC 306, GM 847, etc). If you use these type of cams, spend the $$$ and get a better spring.

Lloyd
Old Nov 30, 2008 | 10:09 AM
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Thanks for the reply Lloyd, your a wealth of information again. A life saver. Thanks Eric L
Old Nov 30, 2008 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by NightTrain66
My guess is that the wire used in the spring is too brittle for hyd roller set ups and the springs just break even when set up properly on mild cams.

All single wound springs (other than bee hives) have a sepcific RPM that they go "hay wire" at and can't control the valve. Could be every 1600 RPM (1600, 3200, 4800, 6400 RPM, etc) or could be every 2133 RPM (2133, 4266, 6399, etc). It varies for every spring but this DOES happen.

Maybe this spring has a "hay wire" RPM that is more frequent than others or maybe it stays in this "hay wire" RPM longer than other springs or maybe the 'hay wire" RPM just happens to coincide with a popular cruise RPM and that destroys the spring. Not sure "why" they break but they do.

They are inexpensive, have good pressure and look good on paper but in the real world, they are not a good choice.

If using a mid 220 duration cam with .550 lift and spinning 6200-6300 RPM (CC 503, CC 305, GM 846, etc), I would go with these springs.

http://competitionproducts.com/prodi...p?number=98213

or a better option -

http://competitionproducts.com/prodi...p?number=98215

I would NOT use these springs on ANY XFI lobes or ANY cam spinning over 6300 RPM (CC 306, GM 847, etc). If you use these type of cams, spend the $$$ and get a better spring.

Lloyd
I'll be using those 2nd ones in my stock eliminator heads. I know few people that use those. I believe I'll probably be spinning it quite a bit higher than 6300, but I also know I'll be breaking springs. Actually, If you do some research, you might find an interesting relationship between those springs, and another popular spring used on the LT1
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