Can My LT1 Beat a '98 Cobra?
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Originally posted by transam41282
I know the difference between a GT and a Cobra. I was just commenting on the cars as well as my input for his question. Either way its all opinion when it comes to cars. People have there own thoughts and I am just going by my experiences. Not tryin to start a GM/Ford argument. Now to let the post go back to where it started.
I know the difference between a GT and a Cobra. I was just commenting on the cars as well as my input for his question. Either way its all opinion when it comes to cars. People have there own thoughts and I am just going by my experiences. Not tryin to start a GM/Ford argument. Now to let the post go back to where it started.
You're right there is a LOT of opinion in cars...however there are some facts too...96/97 LT1 F bods 285 horse...96-98 Cobra 305 horse...LT1's are not really under rated, I've heard maybe like 5 hp...whoopdee doo...Cobra is rated about right, the power delivery in the two is completely different. I still stand by my original post I think the F bod will win if the Cobra is indeed stock...otherwise you could have a problem...
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Race
Mustangs are very nice and I just love their exhaust. I have a 95 Z28 and I usually race when I can. With my car completely stock,except for Flowmaster muffler, I can honestly say Z28's are fast cars. I just hate when computer related problems surface!!
Go get em tiger!!
Oh, by the way, ALL FOREIGN CARS that sound like weed eaters on crack are wannabe but will never be AMERICAN MUSCLE!!!!!
Go get em tiger!!
Oh, by the way, ALL FOREIGN CARS that sound like weed eaters on crack are wannabe but will never be AMERICAN MUSCLE!!!!!
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Originally posted by transam41282
Ok I have owned a 98 GT it was SLOW. VERY SLOW. Not in denial. Dont get me wrong. I NEVER said I dont like Mustangs, but there is no denying they are slower than Z's and T/A. Minus the 03 Cobra which, by the way, needs a SUPERCHARGER to beat an F-Body. So to IrocMania, I have a clue what they are about. The 4.6's are not very fast. Stock for stock Mustangs have nothing. Sorry to burst your little ford bubble man.
Ok I have owned a 98 GT it was SLOW. VERY SLOW. Not in denial. Dont get me wrong. I NEVER said I dont like Mustangs, but there is no denying they are slower than Z's and T/A. Minus the 03 Cobra which, by the way, needs a SUPERCHARGER to beat an F-Body. So to IrocMania, I have a clue what they are about. The 4.6's are not very fast. Stock for stock Mustangs have nothing. Sorry to burst your little ford bubble man.
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Originally posted by RRios8191
Oh, by the way, ALL FOREIGN CARS that sound like weed eaters on crack are wannabe but will never be AMERICAN MUSCLE!!!!!
Oh, by the way, ALL FOREIGN CARS that sound like weed eaters on crack are wannabe but will never be AMERICAN MUSCLE!!!!!
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Originally posted by J's 82
I still stand by this.. there is a reason the new cobra has a supercharger.. they needed to finally bring the goods.. you can't take anything away from that.. or the naturally aspirated mach 1 either.. the horsepower fiasco was actually a screwup they had when rating their engines.. they modded the intake dynoed it and then added the extra smog etc.. so they made more power but parasitic loss took it away, hence many frustrated owners wondering why their buddies year older cobra was beating them..
You may still be able to look this up on the Car and Driver site.. anyway.. my car being a little different but still a bolt on LT1 with no cam..I have no trouble with older cobras on the street, normal GTs aren't worth the mention.. the 03 though, well I have a friend who just bought one that I will take a run at when I get the chance, he'll win but not by too much..
I still stand by this.. there is a reason the new cobra has a supercharger.. they needed to finally bring the goods.. you can't take anything away from that.. or the naturally aspirated mach 1 either.. the horsepower fiasco was actually a screwup they had when rating their engines.. they modded the intake dynoed it and then added the extra smog etc.. so they made more power but parasitic loss took it away, hence many frustrated owners wondering why their buddies year older cobra was beating them..
You may still be able to look this up on the Car and Driver site.. anyway.. my car being a little different but still a bolt on LT1 with no cam..I have no trouble with older cobras on the street, normal GTs aren't worth the mention.. the 03 though, well I have a friend who just bought one that I will take a run at when I get the chance, he'll win but not by too much..
we've been through this a million times. Ruling stands- you and your "well ford sucks so they have to supercharge engines" people are still retarded.
DOHC 4.6 is a hell of a lot better motor than the LT1. Lt1 was more or less a failure to be perfected by the LS1. Just a stepping stone. Why do u think it was only on 3 platforms for 5 yrs or so. you have no room to talk.
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You're right there is a LOT of opinion in cars...however there are some facts too...96/97 LT1 F bods 285 horse...96-98 Cobra 305 horse...LT1's are not really under rated, I've heard maybe like 5 hp...whoopdee doo...Cobra is rated about right, the power delivery in the two is completely different. I still stand by my original post I think the F bod will win if the Cobra is indeed stock...otherwise you could have a problem...
Agreed!
Agreed!
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You on the other hand.....well I will keep that to myself.
The post was originally started on 98 Cobras. You got me there about the GT. Since when do posts stay on the original subject?!
My bad for starting this whole argument. Just for the record I have always wanted a 98 Cobra ( I like that body style better), a 97 SS and a 98 T/A. I have owned all but the Cobra, had the GT instead. So yes you are right I dont know what its like to drive one. But I do know what its like to race em. Hey and guess what? I won.
You on the other hand.....well I will keep that to myself.
The post was originally started on 98 Cobras. You got me there about the GT. Since when do posts stay on the original subject?!
My bad for starting this whole argument. Just for the record I have always wanted a 98 Cobra ( I like that body style better), a 97 SS and a 98 T/A. I have owned all but the Cobra, had the GT instead. So yes you are right I dont know what its like to drive one. But I do know what its like to race em. Hey and guess what? I won.
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Originally posted by treyZ28
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...hreadid=122488
DOHC 4.6 is a hell of a lot better motor than the LT1.
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...hreadid=122488
DOHC 4.6 is a hell of a lot better motor than the LT1.
Oh no you didn't Come up on this web site and say that? 
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DOHC means top end power. High revving and all that. Pushrod means torque. We have more displacement, more horsepower potential, and of course, f bodies aren't 1/10000th as common as any old ga-hey mustang.
I was always under the impression that this argument was a lot more one-sided, that f-bodies had it locked up, but lately I've found that this is not so.
Mustangs cannot touch LS1's, and that's what matters. It's like comparing a Pentium 4 based computer to... what.. I don't know... something that was the **** 5 years ago. GM stopped the f-bodies. Why? We were "winning", but ford was more devoted. They've been hell-bent on toppling the LT1 since day one. They weren't able to do it before the LS1 was introduced.
But remember, now that there is no competition, Ford will stop going for brute speed, they've already gotten in the top spot, have no reason to continue developing the platform.
I was always under the impression that this argument was a lot more one-sided, that f-bodies had it locked up, but lately I've found that this is not so.
Mustangs cannot touch LS1's, and that's what matters. It's like comparing a Pentium 4 based computer to... what.. I don't know... something that was the **** 5 years ago. GM stopped the f-bodies. Why? We were "winning", but ford was more devoted. They've been hell-bent on toppling the LT1 since day one. They weren't able to do it before the LS1 was introduced.
But remember, now that there is no competition, Ford will stop going for brute speed, they've already gotten in the top spot, have no reason to continue developing the platform.
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I give Ford 7 years before they go out of business...
They're using everything that they can to stay alive with GM and Daimer-Chrysler, but even if they continue selling F150's more often than Silverado's, etc they're still gonna go out of business. The Lightning is a last hope but it'll fall short in my opinion.
The problem with Ford is that they "set" certain hp/torque #'s and then they advertise the following years' Mustangs as having that set hp/torque. NOW Ford has to back up what they claim, which is where they fall short.... (ie the recalls on the Cobra's...even the '03 being ratd at 390hp EVERYWHERE...)
Have fun with this kids..
They're using everything that they can to stay alive with GM and Daimer-Chrysler, but even if they continue selling F150's more often than Silverado's, etc they're still gonna go out of business. The Lightning is a last hope but it'll fall short in my opinion.
The problem with Ford is that they "set" certain hp/torque #'s and then they advertise the following years' Mustangs as having that set hp/torque. NOW Ford has to back up what they claim, which is where they fall short.... (ie the recalls on the Cobra's...even the '03 being ratd at 390hp EVERYWHERE...)
Have fun with this kids..
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Originally posted by transam41282
Hmm wonder if thats why Ford is still making Stangs and GM discontinued F-bodies....
Hmm wonder if thats why Ford is still making Stangs and GM discontinued F-bodies....
Ford has played the catch-up game with f-bodies, would be a financial catastrophe if they gave up on the platform.
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Originally posted by FacelessZ
You know the world is going to hell in a handbasket when Volkswagen has produced a car that is faster than the McLaren.
You know the world is going to hell in a handbasket when Volkswagen has produced a car that is faster than the McLaren.
*looks for "gay" smilie*
This will do.
