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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 07:56 PM
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cam= nothing?

my buddy has this cam..all he knows is that it has a 498 lift 110 LSA ...he says that this is a mild cam? And that you would not need a tune, rockers, springs, or new pushrods with this cam? He's a smart kid, but i dont know if this is true? I it possible to get a cam and not have to buy rockers, springs, rods, and a tune?
Old Mar 15, 2005 | 07:57 PM
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If he is getting a cam or put one in it's poitnless without heads, especially with a dyno tune.

He'll need:

Pushrods
Guidplates
Rocker Arms
Studs
Timing Chains
Injectors
TB

etc.

You wouldn't happen to be from Algonquin, IL would you?
Old Mar 15, 2005 | 08:16 PM
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Re: cam= nothing?

ive seen cars with stock heads make 350rwhp and run bottom 12s. i wouldnt call a cam swap 'pointless'.
Old Mar 15, 2005 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 93turbo5oh
ive seen cars with stock heads make 350rwhp and run bottom 12s. i wouldnt call a cam swap 'pointless'.

So have I...but if you're going to maximize power, and make it worthwhile, just putting a plain old cam inside a stock engine, won't do too much for it, something is bound to break with the power of it. Regardless of doing just a cam swap, he's going to have to get that thing tuned from madz28 or get it dynotuned for the cam, or else it won't run right. While you're at it, you mind as well get the whole package.

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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 08:22 PM
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i think you can get alot of power with just a cam. you have to have supporting mods like headers and slightly ported throttle body. a cam with those numbers probably wouldnt give you a good result over stock though. i think a stock cams duration is something like 104/109 with just under .500 lift.
Old Mar 15, 2005 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil Eric
i think you can get alot of power with just a cam. you have to have supporting mods like headers and slightly ported throttle body. a cam with those numbers probably wouldnt give you a good result over stock though. i think a stock cams duration is something like 104/109 with just under .500 lift.

Yeah, somethin close to that. If you don't have the supporting mods, it IS pointless. I say get the cam, and maybe shelf it until you can afford some more internal stuff to be on the safe side of not breaking anything. Then get some suporting mods for it before you put it in.
Old Mar 15, 2005 | 08:45 PM
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definately needs headers on his car
Old Mar 15, 2005 | 08:49 PM
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he has hooker longtubes, ported intake and heads, CAI, TB.....
Old Mar 15, 2005 | 08:55 PM
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Still i would have to say that cam is really small almost stock. I would go with something like LT4 HotCam at least. The CC305 also sounds good and then you could even go with the cc306 but that one you will really see the dif with ported heads.
Old Mar 15, 2005 | 09:13 PM
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I have seen a lot of dyno runs in my time and a typical cam swap nets ~30rwhp on a stock motor. Obviously, if you also do other mods the increase will be greater. Headers are a good complement to a cam and a cam + header swap will net in the resion of 50-60rwhp.

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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 09:18 PM
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Re: cam= nothing?

Originally Posted by blind527
If he is getting a cam or put one in it's poitnless without heads, especially with a dyno tune.

He'll need:

Pushrods
Guidplates
Rocker Arms
Studs
Timing Chains
Injectors
TB

etc.

You wouldn't happen to be from Algonquin, IL would you?
WRONG ON EVERY COUNT
Guessing you started modding before the LT1 and you NEED to relearn what you thought you knew.
Stop spreading ignorance and do some reading and learn before you answer others questions.

To do a cam without a tune is stupid though, a stock car can benifit from tune a modded one benifits more.
Springs you would need too even with a mild cam like that. Roller rockers would be good but not required, pushrods would be a total waste of money.
Old Mar 15, 2005 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
WRONG ON EVERY COUNT
Guessing you started modding before the LT1 and you NEED to relearn what you thought you knew.
Stop spreading ignorance and do some reading and learn before you answer others questions.

To do a cam without a tune is stupid though, a stock car can benifit from tune a modded one benifits more.
Springs you would need too even with a mild cam like that. Roller rockers would be good but not required, pushrods would be a total waste of money.

UMMMMM OK.....

How is not having the mods to support it WRONG??? Stop spreading YOUR ignorance. If you read my signature, you would notice that I haven't even modded that sh*t, but I know enough about it to not just throw a cam in and expect low 11's. No one ever said it's pointless to put a cam in a stock car, I don't need to explain every little detail. Oh yeah, and tell me how I'm "wrong" when those are the correct things to do with a heads/cam swap, just leave everything stock eh? A 1994 Camaro is most def. probably weak in the internals, and when you do a heads cam swap, you're OBVIOUSLY going to have to change that stuff. So before you spread your ignorance, why don't YOU read, *******.

I'll be sure to let Lloyd Elliot know he's wrong when I tell him no to getting pushrods on my car, that will make a lot of sense.

Not everything is "required" for a cam swap, but it's SMART. If you want to take precautionary steps to building your engine and you're starting with a cam, better pushrods etc. is the smart way to go. If you throw in a good size cam and stuff is bent, broken etc., you're going to be spending a hell of a lot more money than you intended. I'll also be sure not to purcahse anything from that list so I can acheive maximum performance.

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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 09:28 PM
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pushrods are not a total waste of money....
a nice set of chromemoly pushrods are not only stronger then stock but lighter too

lighter anything associated with the valvetrain= more power and longer life of everything else involved. plus its easier too get the rpm out of the cam

i disagree with pushrods being a waste of money

it all adds up!
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