OUCH. A little too much evidence to wave off as "one upset customer".

I have read the posts and it seems to me that this is a bank problem more than anything. Everything that AP has been accused for they have admitted if they were wrong or late on something. It sounds to me that they are a very honest company and just are waiting on the bank to clear the funds so that they can send Jim his intake.

I have been speaking with Chris with APE and I have been very happy with the response times and support that he has provided. I am planning on having them build my 383 shortblock, however I am still awaiting what warantee they provide to make my final decision. However, if/when I decide to go with them I will provide an update as to how my experience with them was.

Good luck to both parties with the resolution of the money/intake issue.

Honestly.... I would like to see APE PROVE they werent paid with a CC statement or something...It does NOT take from7/8 to 9/9 for "funds to clear" When you drop 13k with somebody they should NEVER treat you like he is being treated. Hell even 1k or less...... its all about principal. NEVER lie about shiping times THAT pisses more people off than anything...Anyone else notice APE dancing around the questions asked?? Like the machinery costs I think Iv said enough........Ed

#1 Jim isn't screaming and shouting. Under the circumstances I think he has been very restrained. His case is well documented and represented.

To play devil's advocate, there are happy customers from even the worst of companies, doesn't mean I'd want to chance it with my own money.

While there are two sides to every story I'm more inclined to stand by my fellow f-body enthusiast (isn't that the whole point of this entire site?) who seems to have a head on his shoulders than side with a company who's sole purpose is to make money.

Not only is it not wrong for Jim to show other potential buyers his problems with this company but it's totally and completely appreciated by those of us who may be in the market. With the advent of the internet the consumer has all the more tools to ensure his buying safety. If you want to be successful you'd better make sure every last one of your customers is satisfied. For those that cannot, you'd better be prepared to lay your cards on the table in a very convincing matter. Nobody said business was easy

Hopefully there can be some conclusion to this drama. It'd be great if both parties came to the table with an explanation and a reconciliation. Until then....

I was just using screaming and shouting as an example. I don't disagree with the fact that he's airing out his troubles at all, that's what this community is for.

What I am against is all the people who take one case in point and start bashing that company for no reason other than one persons word/situation/experience/whatever. I would almost guarantee that some of the people who've posted asinine comments about AP "being in business" or "quitting their day jobs" haven't even dealt with the company. Hence the bandwagon bashing comment I made. I NEVER had a problem getting ahold of anyone at that shop, and they're some of the best guys I've had the pleasure of dealing with.

As for Jim and his situation, I don't know enough of both sides stories to even think about commenting on it. But instead of just brazenly bashing AP about it, why not see what they do to rectify the situation instead, since so many people are aware of it now??

That's simply how many people react to such a situation. Not everyone can be mature, especially in this hobby

Their intentions are good however. They do not want another Jim to come along.

I've seen this episode unfold through another community that tends to be pretty tight knit, more so than CZ28.com People in that position you do not want displeased

I hope for everyone involved that a resolution is reached. In the mean time I cannot blame people for warning potential customers if the opportunity is presented (as is the case here).

You've posted your good experience and a negative experience has been brought to light as well. Right or wrong, how this is handled, this is the test of a company. I believe "why not see what they do to rectify the situation instead, since so many people are aware of it now??" is exactly what I'm saying

I think all of us are waiting to see how AP deals with it. So far the offers I've seen by them pale in comparison to what they should do to help Jim out. Obviously it's not just the fact that they held his intake, and that is the only thing AP has addressed that I see.

There ARE two sides to every story. I have read some from both sides, and regardless of the bank problem, there are still many issues with APE in their business practices. I know that there are many other companies out there that would treat me and my money with better ethics. I do know where my very little hard earned money WON'T be going, regardless if they make this right. Just my .02

ok fastbird first off im not just some guy that visits cz28 once and a while and saw this thread and thought it was amussing to join in and bash a money making company.ive belonged to fbody.com (yes thats right jim hogans website) for over 4 years.you think cz28 is a tight nit family? come visit fbody and you ll see a tight nit.ive read every thread over on fbody that jim has posted on this subject and i agree i think he has taken this situation very well,calm and collective.if i were in his position i dont think i could be as cool as he is,and posting about his problems with AP is the least he can do and everyone over on fbody appreciates it.am i going to believe the owner of fbody.com,a fellow fbody enthusiast word over a company?uh hell yea.if your blind to think that even a aftermarket company can screw you out of thousands something has to be wrong with you.and fastbird,i still didnt see your "friends" proof i.e bank statements that they did not get paid.

this whole case reminds me of the priest molesting children.no one says anything until 1 person comes out and then you got a swarm of cases.i think AP just ****ed the wrong person and seriously if you **** jim hogan your company will get ****ed in return,he runs fbody.com why wouldnt AP treat him like royalty.i think the only way AP can fix the situation is pay every dime that went out of jims pocket to theirs plus sum.i didnt witness this situation first hand but i have a feeling it just spiraled out of control from delaying the motor to loosing parts that jim sent them then finally getting paid and saying the otherwise.

Wow, someone took my statements a little personally. I'm amused though. So far Jim is the only one I know of who has had issues..........swarm of cases???? If one is a swarm in your world maybe. I don't care if you are new or old here, if you're the god of some other website, if you're the most revered person out there. If someone's having problems, fine. Talking smack and trying to ruin a companies name over one situation for your amusement?? Grow up. EVERY company out there has had one situation arise at some point, I guarantee it. You don't even have a leg to stand on for the fact that you said yourself:

So what is your point in bashing AP Engineering???? Stirring the pot. Oh, and these things:_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ are spaces. Use them, it makes reading easier.

I'll admit, there is obviously a situation that needs to be fixed. But I'm not at liberty to comment on it because I am not a part of it, don't know all the facts of it, and have no business in the middle of it. Unlike a lot of other people who see some stuff on the internet about it and immediately become experts on the whole situation. Someone call Springer please???

Some of you guys are rediculous.... So far I've seen one bad incident, and if AP DID NOT GET THE MONEY FOR THE PART like they said, they obviously aren't going to ship it.... Instead of bashing them, lets give them and their new great gaurentee a chance. Who knows, maybe it will catch on and some of your guys other "better" shops will start offering the same gaurentee.

wow someone took my statement personally. LOL you used my example of "quit your day job".oh were u referring to what someone else said?btw jim isnt the only one if you read the thread another one showed up here and there are several cases that showed up over on fbody that werent bought forth.lets see its only been a couple weeks maybe a month that this situation reached the forums and theres already other cases being bought forth.sorry i was just using swarm as an example,you like examples,hows more than 1 sound.and when did i say i was some god or some revered person,did u not read my post when i said im not trying to join in and bash for my amusment,wasnt i one of the first to even bring forth the jim hogan case on this thread
how can anyone besides jim and AP witness this situation first hand,unless i was the bengiman franklin being handed over.fastbird please if you want to start sticking up for this company first go do a search on fbody and read the threads jim has made on the subject then tell me who you believe,but by just viewing this thread how are you an expert on AP's half.your a clown.

BTW most if not all the ppl that "jumped on the banwagon" came over from fbody.were not here to go out "bashing" companies for our amusment.im sure theres many ppl that had a good experience with AP but like pregnancy it just takes that one time.and this time looks like it will be the most costly.

Sorry, I misread your thread about the amusement part. Admittedly though, without any punctuation it was kind of hard to sort out. Anyway,

Hell yes I'm going to stick up for AP. I had nothing but a great experience with those guys and that shop. Always in touch, extremely patient with my questions, never once did I have an issue.

As far as the people from Fbody.com, sorry, I'm not a member over there. Am I supposed to magically know these things. And so what if they did come over here from there?? Fact is that half of the statements earlier on in this thread were pointless and trivial bashing to begin with. Nothing constructive what so ever.

Fact of the matter is that you don't have first hand knowledge of both sides of this story, only Jim's. You didn't even witness it first hand, so I'm just curious as to why you're all up on his junk??? What's it getting you?? I can understand sympathizing with a fellow enthusiasts plight, but to just bash the company like you've done is pointless. Question:

Have you ever dealt with or even spoken with a single member at AP???