Happy to see you got lucky. I'm not preaching... I did alot of street racing as a kid and it took a friend getting killed to wake me up.
Spare the innocent wives, husbands, children, animals and taxpayers... take it to the track.

-Mindgame

 

If you look at peak hp numbers you should be able to tell which one would pull on the other.. obviously if you have a car with 100 more horses it will pull more on the other end regardless of who goes through first.
Goto your track and watch some cars run, you can tell the cars that have more hp b/c down the track they should either pull up on the slower car, or pull away from the competitor (whichever is in front). I dunno if yall are comparing numbers or who would win anymore.. It looks like you were just trying to say that a z06 wouldn't beat a 500rwhp car.. to me I say no b/c a stock z06 shouldn't be making that much power.. but if you have a good driver in the z06 theres a chance he would win, BUT the other car should be pulling hard at the other end. Thats really the only way you can tell your lt1 is making more hp.. see if it's pulling on the lower hp car at the other end.
I dunno if that made sense or helped anyone but it sounds good to me hahaha

I agreee totally with you mindgame, I know a lot of people prolly try and race on the street, i'm young so when cruising in my car people try to get me to race, but I just backdown and let them think what they want. I don't wanna hurt my baby (the car haha) or anyone else.
If a friend is next to me I will hit it, but only up to the speed limit or maybe 5 to 10 over.. thats it.. regardless of who is in front. I do'nt wanna preach either, but i hate to see a nice car ruined!!!

 

It is absolutely impossible for that car to have 400 horse and trap 120 he would have to have this. For a 3300 lb car to trap 120mph he would have to have 445.05133262529693 horsepower.

 

I agree I know it was stupid but since I had no dyno or track times I wanted to see what range I was in. I am usually like mindgame but this one time I just let it rip.

 

Its not all horsepower peak.. its combo...

Say he's got 400rwhp... 3300 lbs and .31 drag coefficient...
If he has less weight than I do (350lbs), he has better coeficient of drag and he has better tranny gears, where does that put me with 0.35 drag 350+ lbs and less torque multiplication per range of speed??? from 80-140 he is in 3rd to 4th... he will rev till 6500 while I will rev to 5400... I will shift from 3-5 and him from 3-4... he has more torque multiplication in 3rd than I do.. we have the same in 4th but I have to shift sooner than he does.. meaning I have less torque multiplication for at least 30mph (110-140 that I am in fifth already , 0.75 my fifth vs 1:1 his 4th) or so that I am shifting... now.. you tell me...

better torque multiplication... better coeficient of drag (that at 100+ are pretty darn noticeable) and higher time in a better weight/torque ratio than I am... what makes me stay beside him?? the few instances that I have a better weight/torque Is outweighing the rest!!!!!!!!!

If he is at 6500 and I am at 4500 and I have 350rwhp at 4500 and he has 400rwhp at 6500.. and he can maintain that peak longer than I can maintain mine.. what does that tell you???

I have no doubt that when I get my injectors and I am able to rev till 6200 that is when my cam is happy, I will pass him by with no problem...

its running tough but I dont think its the fastest bolt on Z06 ever... so... its got credit.. its got many things in its favor that are against me and I outweigh it with peak power...

 

What confuses me is this: if your injectors keep you from running above 5_00rpm, how did you dyno 493rwhp? And if you only ran 112mph traps with 425rwhp, something is definitely wrong(425 FLYwheel hp sounds more like it). Even my 3700lb buick was knockin on 118 with almost 400rwhp. At 493, you have to be trapping 125 or better. I just don't see 493rwhp happening for you.

From what you are saying, the race with your pop's Z06 really wasn't a "race." If your car is sick man, don't go off racing it like that and then telling everyone "a 400rwhp vette beat my supercharged 500rwhp f-body" cause it didn't happen that way.

I have a strong feeling you are relating flywheel horsepower numbers. But it's the hp that hits the pavement (or the TORQUE, rather) that accelerates the car.

Like most intelligent people out there, unless you prove to me what your saying (which isn't adding up), I'm not very apt to believe you.

 

Damn guys, I hope no ones getting their panties in a bunch over this.

Formulas, calculations, flywheel horsepower, rear wheel horsepower, drag coefficient, torque multiplier, peak horsepower, etc, etc....

No one is going to change their mind on what they took place in happening, unless someone is just making up one huge story, highlander keeps up with his dads Z06, unless no one has seen this not happen, it did happen. untamedls1 beat a Z06 by 3 or 4 carlengths at 130mph right out of the tollbooth, unless no one saw it not happen then it did.

And, just because a car dynoes 4xxrwhp on one day doesnt mean it will the next, or two months down the road. Things can change minor that lessen or greaten the hp, ie dirty filter, more knock retard, less knock retard, dirty fuel, dirty injector, weird air, humid.........maybe the cammed lt1 was just in a better mood than the Z06 that day....racing in my mind doesnt prove anything unless you do it with the same car like 7 different times 7 different days.

A geo metro could take a 600hp car one day, because of a fluke, but if they dont race again, the geo metro is gonna go tell his buddies he beat a race car, and its true since he did, but not technically.

Just my opinion guys, if you guys are arguing in good fun though its cool, proceed.

 

blah blah blah blah BLAH

Highlander is now, my official tuner. He tuned my car on the dyno about a month ago and managed to wrestle a "lost" 20 rwhp from my car. With mild heads, bigger va;ves, and a crane 210/224 cam my car ONLY makes 301 rwhp when capped. In this fashion and with a raceweight of around 3750 lbs I ran a 13.019 at 104.9. Not even 105 mph. Of course my car is an A4 with 3.42 gears, an SLP 2200-2400 stall, and a tranny slipping 3000 rpms between shifts. Oh and on street tires too.

Uncapping it netted me 12.99 at 106.9. Quite a nice gain I must say. Highlander knows his stuff, he did a great job with my car. I should have never wasted the 99 bucks on pcmforless. Their "soft shifts" really are just massive slippage at WOT.

I saw his dad's Z06 run completely stock at carolina Raceway Park in Puerto Rico. This track sucks donkey nuts, its the same track I ran the 12.99 at and it is usually .2-.3 seconds slower and cars run 1-2 mph less than at Salinas, Puerto Rico. The Z06 ran a 12.5 at 116.xx mph with a 2.5 60ft!!! I ran a best of 13.3x that day at 104.xx mph. I've seen automatic C5's run 14.0's at 99-100 mph all day there. Cars just run slow at that track, so that 12.5 at 116 is amazing to me.

I totally believe it, there is no reason to lie.

Oh, I know the guy who has the NOS's SS. He's part of the "crew". He told me about the run he had with Highlander and the Z06, however, he said he lost due to massive lack of traction. He also will corroborate the story, he told me the Z-6 would run ahead of the Black B4C of Highlander's..

 

Thanks for sharing

I did 501rwhp @5300rpm...

 

The outcome is flat out strange. Let me just state a few things:

1. For every 100lbs you lose, its equivalent to "gaining" 10hp performance wise. Being that the ZO6 is approximately 350lbs lighter than you, that is 35hp you lost when comparing numbers. Sorry if I am not wording this right. So, if you make 500rwhp and he makes 400rwhp, then the weight difference would make it more like 465rwhp vs. 400rwhp because your using 35rwhp to make up for the weight. So this leaves you a good 65rwhp more. More than enough to spank him at anyspeed below 150mph.

Now, when I (351rwhp) raced my buddies 99 Cobra vert (270rwhp) we raced from a 50-60mph roll. He started in 2nd and I started in 3rd and I still put a good buslength on him by 110mph. I only have 80rwhp more. It wasnt even close. As soon as he shifted to 3rd he fell back quick. He only paced my at the beginning for 2 seconds while in a lower gear than me.

Just some thoughts.

 

TRANSMISION shift points.. who will be faster in a 1/4 mile??? a 400rwhp with a 4.10 or one with a 2.73????????????? GEARING IS IMPORTANT.. COMBINATION.... ITS NOT JUST HORSEPOWER!!! HORSEPOWER IS ONE WAY.. COMBO'S IS THE BEST!!!

 

If that's 425 RWHP ..... that seems to be the problem with this whole debate about your car. With 425 RWHP even most full weight fbodies trap 118 - 120 mph. I know it depends on the setup , but 112 is QUITE a bit off what a car with that power should trap even at 3700 pounds. I know different things come into play, but 112 is REALLY low mph for 425 RWHP fbody. If that's what you trap with that power, then you can't really compare your car racing a Z06 to the initial guy that said he beat one, because with he has far less than 425 RWHP, and he would most likely trap over 112 mph even with quite a bit less than you.


I'm not commenting on either of you guys cars regarding your outcomes racing a z06's. I was not there , but I am just making the point that if you trap 112 with 425 RWHP, you cant compare your race to his because your car is not running the "right" mph for the power you have in order for you to make a fair comparison to another fbody racing the same car, even if he has less power than you...... since he would most likely trap more than 112 even with a lot less power than you have.

 

The one with 2.73's of course! BTW, i really doubt your pops zo6 is making 400rwhp. A stock 01 zo6 will put out about 340-350rwhp. If this zo6 that traps 116 is beating you then something is definately wrong. If you are shifting at 5100rpms, then why even race? Your just making your car look bad. And yes guys, a 400rwhp car can trap 120mph.

 

Does your car weigh 4500 lbs.? I'm trapping 110 with ~ 100 rwhp less than it took you to trap 112..? You may want to get the car dynoed somewhere else, because is sounds like they are feeding you some fake numbers.

 

The gig to my traps was that i didn't race off from first gear.. after that my gf was on the car as with all my tools... I did a 3.6 60' times... I accelerated from 2nd off.. I did a 14.2 on that pass...