torque multipication.


why cant M6 guys get off their high horse? No one argues M6 for autocross and such. Why cant M6 guys just realize a propperly stalled and geared auto will beat an M6.

 

Pretty brave for a rookie (J/K Trey)

Hopefully nobody here argues the fact that a stalled A4 with an equal amount of power will take an M6. For the majority the reason for driving an auto is consistancy and the reason for driving stick is it's just more fun I drive an M6 but I'll be the first to admit I can't shift as fast an auto tranny (especially with a shift kit). Why all the fuss?

 

This is the dumbest thread I've ever read. Some people need to learn to differentiate between opinion and fact as well as "fast" and "faster"

Both cars can be fast. Only one will be faster.

No one cares what you raced- especially if it’s in the street. My best friend’s 12 sec vette rocks 10 sec cars on the street all day long. It’s called reaction time and driver skill. Your experiences are irrelevant to proving anything in this thread.


There is a reason why hard core drag racers use a TH400 and a high stall. And it’s not because they don’t like overdrive.

I'll see you guys later, I have to go track the T-56 I just ordered and deliver my 4L60E to the guy that just bought it from me- just incase you thought I was being bias

 

I agree that a stalled A4 can own an M6 outta the hole...as for not being able to shift as fast I bet the ol' auto isn't as fast as you think...I was surprised when I found out how slow they shifted.

 

I don't understand one thing though. I have had both A4 and M6 in the same car and they both clearly have pros and cons. However for some reason, M6 user are always very set in their beliefs that the M6 is better; it clearly is not, it does some things better, some worse. They remind me of Linux users

 

You bring up a good point and having owned both myself I just prefer the M6. If you can launch good stock for stock you'll be right with the auto car and begin pulling in second gear...if you start talking about 3200 stall the auto will own outta the hole assuming you can put the power to the ground...go from say a 50mph roll and the 6 speed will win...people just get defensive whether their auto or 6 speed owners/drivers we defend what we spend money on...

 

That is because this thread is retarded.

The assumption of an M6 beatin a A4 is a simple assumption. What if the A4 runs 125 MPH in th 1/4 and the M6 is a stock running LT1?

Does an A4 simply stall and bog when it goes to second gear? It must by reading this thread.

It will start pulling in 2nd...whoopy do...the guy is 5 cars ahead and you have a few seconds to make it up....what, you got 9 second car pulling power now to make up this ground in a few seconds?

My Z28 bone stock ran 14.0's@99 MPH...an A4...was not in -1500 DA, was not in 40 deg weather...but yet because you have an M6, it must mean you can beat it...weither your times are slower???

 

wwooooooowwweeeeeeee

somebody is on egde. calm down man. ill forgive you even though you bought an a4.

 

I'd just like to know, whats the difference between how a 4L60E works, and the T-56. Everyones talking about the stall on the auto, which is basically the same as slipping the clutch, right?! 'Sept the stall does it for you, you just mash the gas. Shifting, well, I just found out in this thread that the T-56 can shift faster, so, ok...

How can the 4L60E be faster if you can DRIVE, and I mean DRIVE a T-56? I just don't understand, I'm not on either side here.

Autos are easier, M6's are funner, that's where I stand

 

do yourself and dont read this thread

 

Your not getting the point.

 

FINALLY Hehehe

I agree with ya Trey. Hell, that's obvious or I wouldn't be going through all this trouble for a race built 4L60e.... should I?

:starts looking at price of Borg Warner conversion:

 

So am I hearing that a M6 Z/28 with 300rwhp can beat an A4 Z/28 with 300rwhp if everything else (tires, 60', driver, weight, bolt-ons) are all the same?

 

for one, the 4L60E will shift faster and also, you can't slip the clutch to the same extent.
Back in my industrial parks racing days, I had an A4 with the accumulators filled up in the valve body (= instant shifts, no way a human can beat that but it's not good for parts' life) / high stall / Gears / Drag radials (and we were using VHT in the street) combo; we were never really racing a full 1/4, it was more like 2/3rd of it or so; I had many people that wanted to race me because I was beating lots of cars; the reality is that if we had raced a full 1/4 or on the highway, I would have lost to many of these, but I could put so much space between myself and them in the first two seconds that it would take much more than a 1/8 mile to even have a chance to catch up. I've beaten people with larger engines, nitrous, etc that would have made me look like a civic on the highway, BPUed Supras could never get traction and power in time to get even close, etc.

so, the A4 has worked extremly well in this context; but yes, third gears sucks in the A4; You put space between you and the other car in 1 and 2; when you hit 3rd, you have to hope you've put enough distance and with the right combo you usually do.
For anything else (highway, top speed, twisties, etc), M6 is the way to go. For the fun favctor the M6 is better.

For the everyday stuff, I am really happy I switched to the M6, each time I am next to a car at a stop, I wish I had my old setup.

 

M6 has a 1:1 4th gear/

6 of one, half a dozen of the other... :::
only reason the M6 will start pulling is that you have a greater drivetrain loss but you more than made that up because of your launch and torque multiplication of the torque converter