I'd much rather see it called the LX1. Not only does it sound cool but with advanced technology can implement some of this inferiority complex my LT1 peers seem to be suffering from.

 

Why would I say that? You must have skipped parts in my post about how I said an sbc could make more power than any ls1. And that that is what is good about lt1 's is that they are "basically" sbc, and you can covert parts.


The only thing I was replying to , was that you said ls1's need big ARMS to make power. You may be taking me saying that is not true , as me saying an ls1 is better than sbc. Like I said , I prefer the sbc, and lt1 because of the the parts available , and power potential , and actually think the sbc is better than the ls1. But still I call it how i see it, and I think some people read into it the wrong way when you say anything good about an ls1, ford, etc. even though i prefer the sbc. I don't care what i have or like, I just call it how I see it, and from what i see ls1's dont need big arms too make big power, but I guess power is relative in certain instances.

Mindgame has about 560rwhp from his 38x ci Lt1/4 motor with converted 18 to 15* heads, all in a car that can be driven everyday. I have NOT seen a 430+ ls1 make that power on motor. Off course I don't think an sbc can't make more power than an ls1. And of course some sbc's make alot more.Look at any serious shop or Winston cup, Busch, local race track, etc. I personally feel the sbc is superior to the ls1. (More power potential, parts , many at lower cost, and alot stronger available blocks, cranks, etc.) But I just disagree with the ls1 needing big arms for big power. That does not mean i think its better, (cause I don't) because I have something positive or truthful to say about it.

 

I highly agree. Dan you seem to be just talking, and also mistaking when people are saying something postitve about the ls1 as putting down the lt1.


When you come on hear talking crazy , with no basis, you will get replies. I don't want to get negative, but when he said talking out your a.. that was about as best you could describe some of the stuff you have been saying. It seems just like he said you seem to think people are putting down the lt1 by telling the truth about about the ls1, while at the same time it seems you are again like he said denying what they are capable of .

I personally prefer an lt1 or sbc, and feel the sbc is again superior to the ls1 because of the potential if you are willing spend and get that serious. I HIGHLY doubt I would ever by an Ls1. I would just convert some 18 or 15 degree heads on my lt1 or put them on a gen 1 sbc.

I know there are idiots in all the camps , sbc,ls1, lt1 , ford , mopar, etc, and I agree with some that lately it seems (to me at least) I see more of the "I can't be beat" , everything else is slow idiot mentality with many of the Ls1 crowd, so I know what some of you are saying , but still, I will not deny the capabilities of the LS1 motor. And that some of what you have been saying seems foolish.

And this is from an SBC/LT1 guy that thinks sbc is better.

 

In one of your post above you say somthing like "I'll settle for opti spark prolems because I know the motor will last more than 139,000 miles". But here you say I could give a damn. Tell me who buys an Fbody to leave is stock. And I AGREE. But you must give a damn about stock if you think 139,000 miles is common for most of us modified guys. You may have that many miles on your car , and a few others, but for many modified guys that's no the norm. "Tell me who buys an Fbody to leave stock" . Not most of us here. And I agree that most of us don't .
So who buys one to modify it realisticly expecting 139,000 miles out of it.???? Except for a small few . Not most of us here expect 139,000 out of ours when modifying them .



You in a way , also defeat your own point, and argue for the ls1 above. When trying to tell us how slow they are, you say "The majority of Ls1's (with their big-mouth owners) are running high 12 if they're lucky. Most of them have nothing more than an air lid and a Flowmaster exhaust".

You right there, are singing their praises. WHY? Because how many lt1's do you know running high 12's in a full weight car with Flowmaster exhaust and an air lid????

 

That's funny. I've met a lot of LS1 owners (SS owners included) and the majority claim they've never run faster than 13.60s, with the "occasional" LS1 that has run a tad better. As far as denying what LS1s are capable of, nobody is denying that they are a better breathing motor than the LT1, or has some nice technology built into it, but LS1s aren't as great as you pump them up to be. You just want to talk out your *** (as you're accusing me of doing) and start sh*t. Since the LS1 is so much better than the "weapon of choice" we prefer, why do you even bother coming in here? Shouldn't you be in LS1 Tech kissing the asses of all your LS1 buddies?

I find your accusation of me badmouthing the LS1 for no reason to be quite uhhh....entertaining, at best. I've got no reason to badmouth an LS1. I've beaten many, and I've lost to many. If you're not losing, then you're not racing enough. My cousin had a 98 Z28 with an A4 in it, which was bone stock, and at the time my car had a Flowmaster MUFFLER, Moroso Cold Air Intake, Hypertech Power Programmer, and an airfoil. We raced, and do you want to take a guess who won? And BEFORE you tell me "You must have only raced up to 60mph because he would have pulled up top," we ran them up to around 120mph. By the time I lifted off, I was about a car up on him. He was at my tail. So what happened to this "unbeatable" top-end that LS1s are so famous for? And yes, my car is also an A4. If his Z28 was an M6, he probably would have had me by about a fender.


Your comment about magazine times is rediculous. EVERYBODY knows magazines are full of BS. It's absolutely hilarious how these goofy "performance" magazines are belting out high 12s and low 13s, while others like R&T and C&D are running 13.80s at around 105mph or so, at best. To top it off, your cherished magazine quarter mile times are corrected for altitude, temperature, etc. So much for your magazine times. You need new ammunition.

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also i said stock internals NA running 11s.how many lt1s can do that?that doesnt include nitrous and RRs arent a bolton either.i dont claim to be fast or the fastest and never will.but when GM comes out with something better i wont cry and badmouth it about ill be happy it was GM and not a competitor.

How many stock internals NA LT1s are running 11s? Who knows? However, this IS www.camaroz28.com, and you could always start your own thread to see how many people reply. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to do that.

And one more thing. Remember how dinosaurs roamed the Earth? I wonder how hard it would be for a dinosaur to eat an aligator. Get my drift, ULTIMATEORANGESS?

Brain, I totally agree with everything you said.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by FirebatIn one of your post above you say somthing like "I'll settle for opti spark prolems because I know the motor will last more than 139,000 miles". But here you say I could give a damn. Tell me who buys an Fbody to leave is stock. And I AGREE. But you must give a damn about stock if you think 139,000 miles is common for most of us modified guys. You may have that many miles on your car , and a few others, but for many modified guys that's no the norm. "Tell me who buys an Fbody to leave stock" . Not most of us here. And I agree that most of us don't .
So who buys one to modify it realisticly expecting 139,000 miles out of it.???? Except for a small few . Not most of us here expect 139,000 out of ours when modifying them .

Ok, there are plenty of modified cars that will easily last 139,000 miles. Sure, if it's some beast that you've built, no, in most cases it's NOT going to last that long, and I totally agree with your statement 100%. But an LT4 HC setup is not a wild setup. In reality, it really isn't much different than stock. The car's just as streetable/reliable as it was the day it left the factory.

You in a way , also defeat your own point, and argue for the ls1 above. When trying to tell us how slow they are, you say "The majority of Ls1's (with their big-mouth owners) are running high 12 if they're lucky. Most of them have nothing more than an air lid and a Flowmaster exhaust".

You've misunderstood my statement. What I meant was that the majority of LS1 owners probably run high 12s who actually take the time to do a little bit more than the normal "diharrea of the mouth" LS1 owners with no more than Flowmasters and exhaust lids. I can see where you did confuse my post though. I should have been clearer about what I was saying.

You right there, are singing their praises. WHY? Because how many lt1's do you know running high 12's in a full weight car with Flowmaster exhaust and an air lid????

I don't know EITHER car, LT1 OR LS1 running high 12s in a full weight car with a Flowmaster and air lid. However, I've known of a few LT1s with M6s that were pulling 13.60s @ 103mph right off the showroom floor. Wait.....that's a pretty fast LT1. I could be lying.

 

theres a guy on here that has a 414 lt1....