The switches are different because the auto one has a provision for the park/lock cable. The manual trans does not. Function should be the same otherwise.

 

Well starter is good, ran the test at Autozone 4 times to make sure.
So now I know it's definitely a wiring issue somewhere.

When my buddy gets off work I'll start checking all the power wires. If they are all working properly then I'm assuming I need to replace battery cables and all?

 

Ok, while hooked up this this is the read out of the following;

Yellow wire connected to the starter relay: 12.36V
PCM to battery fuse 4: 11.89V
Crank fuse 16: 11.45V
PCM to ignition fuse 5: 12.21V
Purple wire to starter: has no power going to it
Red wire to starter: 12V

With that being said, I'm assuming it's something in the VATS system?
Like me needing to ground out the yellow/black wire in the TDR?

Now the starter was OFF the car while I tested that purple wire, not sure if that would make any difference in it at all

 

The purple wire to the starter should only have 12v on it with the key in the start position. That is what engages the starter and kinda the whole point of testing it.

 

Awe man, I'll put the starter back on this weekend and test the wire again.
I was hoping it didn't matter

Oh well that's that I get for not thinking

 

You can test the purple wire with the starter off. Just don't let it touch any ground when the key is in the start position.

 

Ah ok, that's what I did and the Purple wire doesn't have power going to it when the key is in the start position

 

The +12v on the purple wire comes via the TDR contact when energized, which is when the neutral safety switch is in the P/N position, and ignition switch in the Start position.

Is the NS switch connected?

 

Yes, the switch is connected

 

We're back to the yellow wire from the ignition switch. Check the yellow wires that attach to the TDM... terminal C1 for the load side of the relay, and terminal C2 for the signal side of the relay. Should have 12V on both, with key in "start" position, trans in park.

 

Alright, the yellow does have 12V when the key is in the start position. I can tell you that much right now.


Nevermind I read that a little wrong. I'll check the relay here in a minute.

 

You really have to keep an open mind to get help.

 

I know, these last few days have been long and draining.
I just need to wait to check back on replies and do the suggestions when I'm not tired and I have a clear head.

Lesson learned

 

Wait is there a difference between the theft deterrent module and the theft deterrent relay? Everything I've seen so far has shown the TDR/TDM on the inside of the dash by the airbag.

If that's it, then there is no voltage to the wires at C1 or C2 with the ignition in the start position and transmission in park

Or am I following part of the harness up into the dash on the right of the radio and squeezing my big *** hand into that space for a hobbit to find a module? Because that's the only part of the harness I can see that has 2 yellow wires mixed with purple and a few others

 

Reference Shoebox's 95 starting system wiring diagram - link already provided in an earlier post. It shows the TDRelay with two yellow wires on the supply side, and a purple wire to the starter and a yellow/black "activation" wire from the TDModule.

I've never had to access these components, but the 1994 factory manual shows the TDR and the hatch relay being to the right of the glove box. Check there. I have no idea if 94 and 95 are the same, or if I am even reading the manual diagram correctly.