$4-5k to built an LT1. What to do?
Re: $4-5k to built an LT1. What to do?
Find a good machine shop (make sure its a good machine shop!!!!) that will freshen up the crank and install ARP rod bolts into the stock rods. Go .030 over with the block, honed with a torque plate. Find some nice SRP forged pistons. Make sure balance job is dead nutts. Assemble stock rotating assy with SRP pistons paying very close attention to all clearances, use ARP studs in the bottom end. Send your stock heads to Lloyd for LE2 or LE3 porting job and use one of his LE2 cams. Over 400 RWHP without breaking the bank. I would feel safe with the stock rotating assy using GOOD (ARP) hardware to 450RWHP.
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if you want that extra bottom end grunt then go for the 383 setup, but you might overshoot your budget.
Steve
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if you want that extra bottom end grunt then go for the 383 setup, but you might overshoot your budget.
Steve
Re: $4-5k to built an LT1. What to do?
Originally Posted by Josh'95Z28conv
Thanks for the replies so far
To clearify some things. I alreaty have most bolt ons. Hooker LT's, full exhaust, I do have a 6spd, I do have 4.10's which will probably die quick since their only 7.5", lol. A 12 bolt will be the next mod, or when I get sick of doing gear swaps
I do have a laptop with tunercat, I just need to learn how to use it. I also plan on having a pro and a dyno to help me tune it when its all done.
firetird- suggested using the stock crank, but using forged rods. How much weaker are the sock rods than the crank? Im liking your suggestion the most.
Also, when comparing a 350 to a 383 how much different will the power be? Dont they make similar power, but the 383 makes more torque? How is that going to affect my track times?
Also, this isnt going to be a all out ***** to the wall setup. This car has to be streetable. I dont think solid roller is for me. I only put 500-1000 miles a year on it, but its in traffic when I take it to work, and must behave well. I think 450RWHP+ some spray later on will be great for me. But then again I also realize everyone says that, and then many realize its not enough.
To clearify some things. I alreaty have most bolt ons. Hooker LT's, full exhaust, I do have a 6spd, I do have 4.10's which will probably die quick since their only 7.5", lol. A 12 bolt will be the next mod, or when I get sick of doing gear swaps
I do have a laptop with tunercat, I just need to learn how to use it. I also plan on having a pro and a dyno to help me tune it when its all done. firetird- suggested using the stock crank, but using forged rods. How much weaker are the sock rods than the crank? Im liking your suggestion the most.
Also, when comparing a 350 to a 383 how much different will the power be? Dont they make similar power, but the 383 makes more torque? How is that going to affect my track times?
Also, this isnt going to be a all out ***** to the wall setup. This car has to be streetable. I dont think solid roller is for me. I only put 500-1000 miles a year on it, but its in traffic when I take it to work, and must behave well. I think 450RWHP+ some spray later on will be great for me. But then again I also realize everyone says that, and then many realize its not enough.
450rwhp and streetable are going to very hard to come by sticking within your price range. not that you cant do it but i wouldnt set my hopes that high.
stock rods are pretty strong and they will probably hold up to a le3 setup but the stock rod bolts are not going to hold up. when you upgrade the stock rod bolts you have to have the rods machined and by the time you do that, you wont be far from the price of the forged ibeams. the stock crank can handle quite a bit of power. there are several people that are running them over 500 horsepower but at that level i wouldnt expect them to last forever.
you are right about comparing a 350 to a 383 the torque will be the noticable difference. if you want the 383, you will need a new crank and you might have to do extra block work. which means more money.
Re: $4-5k to built an LT1. What to do?
Originally Posted by amean94ta
no way dude your fooling yourself solids own from 5k up i have the stock ecu and it dont shut off at 7k i shift at 7200 my stall is 4400
Re: $4-5k to built an LT1. What to do?
[QUOTE=Josh'95Z28conv]Thanks for the replies so far
To clearify some things. I alreaty have most bolt ons. Hooker LT's, full exhaust, I do have a 6spd, I do have 4.10's which will probably die quick since their only 7.5", lol. A 12 bolt will be the next mod, or when I get sick of doing gear swaps
I do have a laptop with tunercat, I just need to learn how to use it. I also plan on having a pro and a dyno to help me tune it when its all done.
I just finished a 383 w/LE1 heads & cam. I aleady had the LT's, full exhaust and 52 mm TB. By the time I was done I had $8K invested, that's just parts, because I did all the work myself. Don't forget, you're going to need a good clutch to hold all that new power. That's about $650 right there, plus you'll probably want to put in a new master/slave cylinder while you're at it (another $100). When you start buying all the other supporting parts (lifters, pushrods, new RR's, bigger injectors, gasket sets, etc.) it starts to add up fast.
But, on the other hand, it's an absolute blast to drive, well worth the money. I kept the stock valve covers and the TB is a bored out stock TB, so other than the Hooker long tubes and the lopey idle, the engine looks stock. So when people ask..."No, just a cam and headers."
Chris
To clearify some things. I alreaty have most bolt ons. Hooker LT's, full exhaust, I do have a 6spd, I do have 4.10's which will probably die quick since their only 7.5", lol. A 12 bolt will be the next mod, or when I get sick of doing gear swaps
I do have a laptop with tunercat, I just need to learn how to use it. I also plan on having a pro and a dyno to help me tune it when its all done. I just finished a 383 w/LE1 heads & cam. I aleady had the LT's, full exhaust and 52 mm TB. By the time I was done I had $8K invested, that's just parts, because I did all the work myself. Don't forget, you're going to need a good clutch to hold all that new power. That's about $650 right there, plus you'll probably want to put in a new master/slave cylinder while you're at it (another $100). When you start buying all the other supporting parts (lifters, pushrods, new RR's, bigger injectors, gasket sets, etc.) it starts to add up fast.
But, on the other hand, it's an absolute blast to drive, well worth the money. I kept the stock valve covers and the TB is a bored out stock TB, so other than the Hooker long tubes and the lopey idle, the engine looks stock. So when people ask..."No, just a cam and headers."
Chris
Re: $4-5k to built an LT1. What to do?
Originally Posted by firetird
im not fooling myself. you can get almost the same amount of power from a hydraulic cam with a 7000 rpm limit. the pcm will stop firing the injectors at 7200 rpm which is what you shift at. anything above 7000 rpm and the lt1 computer uses the 7000 rpm values. not the best way to run but it will work.
Re: $4-5k to built an LT1. What to do?
Originally Posted by cehan
I just finished a 383 w/LE1 heads & cam. I aleady had the LT's, full exhaust and 52 mm TB. By the time I was done I had $8K invested, that's just parts, because I did all the work myself. Don't forget, you're going to need a good clutch to hold all that new power. That's about $650 right there, plus you'll probably want to put in a new master/slave cylinder while you're at it (another $100). When you start buying all the other supporting parts (lifters, pushrods, new RR's, bigger injectors, gasket sets, etc.) it starts to add up fast.
But, on the other hand, it's an absolute blast to drive, well worth the money. I kept the stock valve covers and the TB is a bored out stock TB, so other than the Hooker long tubes and the lopey idle, the engine looks stock. So when people ask..."No, just a cam and headers."
Chris
Re: $4-5k to built an LT1. What to do?
cehan's right! It's definitly the little stuff that adds up. 12 or 9 bolt, sticky tires, & suspension you can spend 4-5k on ONLY that stuff easy!!! And what's the point of haveing hp&tq you can't use? Braging rights?
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Last edited by bdc95ta; Jan 9, 2006 at 06:09 PM.
Re: $4-5k to built an LT1. What to do?
Originally Posted by bdc95ta
cehan's right! It's definitly the little stuff that adds up. 12 or 9 bolt, sticky tires, & suspension you can spend 4-5k on ONLY that stuff easy!!! And what's the point of haveing hp&tq you can't use? Braging rights?
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Re: $4-5k to built an LT1. What to do?
i went with the summit forged kit, LE2 heads, GM847 Cam, Sir I beam rods and all boltons with a spec 4 kevlar clutch. The car is defiantly in the 11's with about 5k into it.
It was the cheapest, yet most effective way to get into the 11's and still be reliable.
If thats what your looking for I would suggest doing exactly what I did. +/- whatever cam you like/prefer.
It was the cheapest, yet most effective way to get into the 11's and still be reliable.
If thats what your looking for I would suggest doing exactly what I did. +/- whatever cam you like/prefer.
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