Idle issues, now engine noise
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Idle issues, now engine noise
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I've been away from the forums for a while as the car has been running great for years. I have a 99 Z28 with 50-something thousand miles on a stock motor. Mods are nothing more than full intake and exhaust. Car always gets mobil-1 and 93 octane at every fill up. Regular oil changes and never raced, only the weekly spirited ride. I did have a rocker arm spew its bearings a few months after I bought it (years ago) but I immediately fixed that and its been running great since.
I was driving home today and was nearly home, sitting at a stop light. I noticed the rpm's dipping and the car wanting to stall. I dropped it into neutral to keep the rpm's up a little, and limped it home gently (just another mile down the road). The car never did die, and I got out to listen. After some investigation I noticed a new noise coming from the driver side valve cover area. My mind immediately went back to the rocker arm issue i had early in the car's life. I pulled the valve cover and found nothing obvious out of the ordinary (to my untrained eye that is...).
So I took a video for you experts to review for me. This is the noise its making now. If anyone has any recommendations as to what my next move should be based on the noise in the video I'm all ears. Should I just take it in, or is there something else I can do to inspect further...?
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----night two--- a little more info---- vacuum test---
The noise in the video is not at all present when the car first starts. It take a minute to appear. The pattern I have noticed every time I test is that once i put the engine under a little load and let it idle (specifically, turning on the air conditioning while at idle) the tick in the valve train area becomes evident. I had a vaccum gauge on it tonight, and before the noise becomes evident, there pressure was steady and normal. Once the tick begins, the vaccum pressure will dip with each tick of the motor.
Once the motor warms up the tick is there to stay. It becomes more steady as the motor gets up to temperature. It will not go away again until the motor cools.
Keep in mind that as far as i can tell the car only seems to struggle at idle. Hard to say whether the tick is evident or not. In all honesty I dont really care to take it out and rev it around at this point for fear of doing more damage.
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I've been away from the forums for a while as the car has been running great for years. I have a 99 Z28 with 50-something thousand miles on a stock motor. Mods are nothing more than full intake and exhaust. Car always gets mobil-1 and 93 octane at every fill up. Regular oil changes and never raced, only the weekly spirited ride. I did have a rocker arm spew its bearings a few months after I bought it (years ago) but I immediately fixed that and its been running great since.
I was driving home today and was nearly home, sitting at a stop light. I noticed the rpm's dipping and the car wanting to stall. I dropped it into neutral to keep the rpm's up a little, and limped it home gently (just another mile down the road). The car never did die, and I got out to listen. After some investigation I noticed a new noise coming from the driver side valve cover area. My mind immediately went back to the rocker arm issue i had early in the car's life. I pulled the valve cover and found nothing obvious out of the ordinary (to my untrained eye that is...).
So I took a video for you experts to review for me. This is the noise its making now. If anyone has any recommendations as to what my next move should be based on the noise in the video I'm all ears. Should I just take it in, or is there something else I can do to inspect further...?
[autostream]http://autostream.com/camaroz28/?page_type=firebirdplayerthumbnail&framepage=2797& transactionid=1375496206-2417123240&posted_by=Loochy88_www.camaroz28.com&yo utube_video_id=fkW14mNCswQ[/autostream]
----night two--- a little more info---- vacuum test---
The noise in the video is not at all present when the car first starts. It take a minute to appear. The pattern I have noticed every time I test is that once i put the engine under a little load and let it idle (specifically, turning on the air conditioning while at idle) the tick in the valve train area becomes evident. I had a vaccum gauge on it tonight, and before the noise becomes evident, there pressure was steady and normal. Once the tick begins, the vaccum pressure will dip with each tick of the motor.
Once the motor warms up the tick is there to stay. It becomes more steady as the motor gets up to temperature. It will not go away again until the motor cools.
Keep in mind that as far as i can tell the car only seems to struggle at idle. Hard to say whether the tick is evident or not. In all honesty I dont really care to take it out and rev it around at this point for fear of doing more damage.
Last edited by Loochy88; 08-02-2013 at 10:05 PM.
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Re: Idle issues, now engine noise
Use a mechanic's stethoscope to pin it down to a specific cylinder/valve. Sounds (on my tinny laptop speakers) like it could be a lifter, pushrod problem, or a loose rocker. Are you sure it's not a leaky exhaust tick?
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Re: Idle issues, now engine noise
It seems I found the problem. Loose spark plug wire on the plug side (driver's side, 3rd cylinder back). I can't figure out why it was dependant on temperature, but it was. Anyway, I was going to switch the coilpacks from left to right, and as I did i was pulling the plugs wires off the plugs. The third back on the driver side came off way too easy. Put everything back together snug and it has been running like a champ - took it for a test drive and everything, no more ticks.
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