C5 power under-rated like F-body???
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C5 power under-rated like F-body???
From the dealer the Z28 is rated at 310 hp and an SS is at 325. But we know that they are both way underrated. A C5 is rated at 350. Is the C5 underrated as well or are Camaro's alot closer in power to a regular C5 than most people think.
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My feeling is that the f-body and the C5 have the same engine. They just rate the power less so that the corvette is the most powerful. I would love to own a corvette and could care less if it has the same power as the f-body, but I bet a lot of vette owners want to have the bragging rights of having more HP then the lowly f-body.
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Or at the very least GM Marketing feels that their target market needs the comfort of a higher rating. And many Vette owners do. Thank goodness that there are a few that are as crazy about cars as the average FBody owner.
Since the LS1 came out (until the Z06) the Fbods typically outpowered the Vettes on a DynoJet comparison basis. There are several perceived factors for this, the most likely is that they have packaging issues with the motor being lower in the car and the oil pan for the Vette is shallower and allows more windage power loss.
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Since the LS1 came out (until the Z06) the Fbods typically outpowered the Vettes on a DynoJet comparison basis. There are several perceived factors for this, the most likely is that they have packaging issues with the motor being lower in the car and the oil pan for the Vette is shallower and allows more windage power loss.
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Originally posted by pkincy
Or at the very least GM Marketing feels that their target market needs the comfort of a higher rating. And many Vette owners do. Thank goodness that there are a few that are as crazy about cars as the average FBody owner.
Since the LS1 came out (until the Z06) the Fbods typically outpowered the Vettes on a DynoJet comparison basis. There are several perceived factors for this, the most likely is that they have packaging issues with the motor being lower in the car and the oil pan for the Vette is shallower and allows more windage power loss.
Perry
Or at the very least GM Marketing feels that their target market needs the comfort of a higher rating. And many Vette owners do. Thank goodness that there are a few that are as crazy about cars as the average FBody owner.
Since the LS1 came out (until the Z06) the Fbods typically outpowered the Vettes on a DynoJet comparison basis. There are several perceived factors for this, the most likely is that they have packaging issues with the motor being lower in the car and the oil pan for the Vette is shallower and allows more windage power loss.
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If you put the "Vette LS1" and the "F-Body LS1" on an engine dyno, the Vette's would probably come out on top. However, the Corvette's drivetrain (trans, IRS) sucks up a little more power than the F-Body's so it kinda evens out on a chassis dyno.
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Well for those who are interested.. and I am sure pyschocabbage will love seeing this considering his stock numbers.. here is a completely stock vette on the dyno..
http://www.2phast.com/porsche/Corvette/dyno.htm
http://www.2phast.com/porsche/Corvette/dyno.htm
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Originally posted by stik6shift98
no fbody is underated so vette owners dont b!tch that a camaro has almost the same amount of power and the maro is like 15 grand cheaper
no fbody is underated so vette owners dont b!tch that a camaro has almost the same amount of power and the maro is like 15 grand cheaper
They have the same engine. Even the SS/WS6 cars are the same as regular, GM just pulls a couple of those horses out of the closet and puts them on paper to make the folks that dish out a ton of money for an appearance package feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Don't get mad at the messenger, just tellin' it like it is.
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Originally posted by ratio411
Took the words from my fingers!
They have the same engine. Even the SS/WS6 cars are the same as regular, GM just pulls a couple of those horses out of the closet and puts them on paper to make the folks that dish out a ton of money for an appearance package feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Don't get mad at the messenger, just tellin' it like it is.
Dave
Took the words from my fingers!
They have the same engine. Even the SS/WS6 cars are the same as regular, GM just pulls a couple of those horses out of the closet and puts them on paper to make the folks that dish out a ton of money for an appearance package feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Don't get mad at the messenger, just tellin' it like it is.
Dave
i second that
vette owners would be pissed of they knew camaros were makin what they make at rear wheels.....but old man vette aint gotta fid that out....h e l l hell never even probably find out what an ls1 is
all he knows is hey i got a vette im cool no camaro can take me....until i come along
hehehehe
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only reason vettes are faster is because they're lighter than the f-body...
2003 Corvette C5 - 3,246 lbs.
2002 Camaro Z28 - 3,433 lbs.
not extremely faster... there's a 187 lbs difference, but it's still lighter than a camaro... not by 20 lbs, but by, we'll... i guess it would be even if you stuck a fat *** in the passenger seat, lol
my friend in a 2001 camaro ss gave the chop to a 2002 c5. something.... c5 had exhaust, camaro had ram air lid and exhaust.
my friend in his rx-7 (twin turbo - stock) took a c5 by a car, and he ran 14 flat at moroso (he cant take off out of the whole because of something to do w/ his apex seals, so he had to take off slow... then he hit it
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i <3 camaros... hehe
2003 Corvette C5 - 3,246 lbs.
2002 Camaro Z28 - 3,433 lbs.
not extremely faster... there's a 187 lbs difference, but it's still lighter than a camaro... not by 20 lbs, but by, we'll... i guess it would be even if you stuck a fat *** in the passenger seat, lol
my friend in a 2001 camaro ss gave the chop to a 2002 c5. something.... c5 had exhaust, camaro had ram air lid and exhaust.
my friend in his rx-7 (twin turbo - stock) took a c5 by a car, and he ran 14 flat at moroso (he cant take off out of the whole because of something to do w/ his apex seals, so he had to take off slow... then he hit it
)i <3 camaros... hehe
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Originally posted by pkincy
Bentley,
Try and dyno it without the MAF ends. You likely will pick up a bit of power. You are probably running very lean without LS1Edit since the MAF ends were put on.
Perry
Bentley,
Try and dyno it without the MAF ends. You likely will pick up a bit of power. You are probably running very lean without LS1Edit since the MAF ends were put on.
Perry
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Originally posted by ratio411
Took the words from my fingers!
They have the same engine. Even the SS/WS6 cars are the same as regular, GM just pulls a couple of those horses out of the closet and puts them on paper to make the folks that dish out a ton of money for an appearance package feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Don't get mad at the messenger, just tellin' it like it is.
Dave
Took the words from my fingers!
They have the same engine. Even the SS/WS6 cars are the same as regular, GM just pulls a couple of those horses out of the closet and puts them on paper to make the folks that dish out a ton of money for an appearance package feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Don't get mad at the messenger, just tellin' it like it is.
Dave
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Steve,
You misunderstood me.
The appearance package comment wasn't about the Vette. Of course I see the Vette as a totally different animal and a work of engineering art to be frank. The engine is the same between the cars though, the speed and handling of the Vette comes from superior engineering, not engine mods.
The SS Camaro is what I termed an appearance package. There is not much to argue with there. It is also putting out the same power from the engine, but like with the Vette, GM strokes the owners by taking some of that underrated hp out of hiding and puts it on paper.
I am glad that GM saw fit to underrate the LS1 and give it to Camaro owners, but I think it is crappy that GM feels it has to do this so as not to offend Vette owners. Don't say Vette owners don't hassle GM either because GM wouldn't be worried about it if it doesn't happen.
Just had to clear that up.
Dave
You misunderstood me.
The appearance package comment wasn't about the Vette. Of course I see the Vette as a totally different animal and a work of engineering art to be frank. The engine is the same between the cars though, the speed and handling of the Vette comes from superior engineering, not engine mods.
The SS Camaro is what I termed an appearance package. There is not much to argue with there. It is also putting out the same power from the engine, but like with the Vette, GM strokes the owners by taking some of that underrated hp out of hiding and puts it on paper.
I am glad that GM saw fit to underrate the LS1 and give it to Camaro owners, but I think it is crappy that GM feels it has to do this so as not to offend Vette owners. Don't say Vette owners don't hassle GM either because GM wouldn't be worried about it if it doesn't happen.
Just had to clear that up.
Dave