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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 01:58 PM
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Cluster Compatability

I've been searching on the subject for a while and barely find anything about it. I wanna swap a 2000 Dash in my 95. I'm not sure I get why you gotta put a 97 cluster in only. I understand that 97 is the only year with that dash and an LT1... but:

I had to use a 1997 gauge cluster as it is the only year that will interchange with the 1994 to 1996 dash wiring.
Yet I see that you must repin the harness to a new style connector. So if you're putting that 97+ Connector on, why wont the 2000 Cluster work?

I've got easy access to a 97 cluster, but its a V6 120mph cluster, not a V8 155 one But Also a 2000 V8 Cluster that sounds like it wont work
Old Jan 27, 2008 | 02:24 PM
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you are headed in the right direction i have gathered all my parts aswell to do the same swap on my 96 you need the cluster from a 97 to have the digital odometer,you will need the connector from a 94-97 bird/ta and splice into your existing harness.98 and up have very different pin locations and functions.
Old Jan 27, 2008 | 02:32 PM
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Hrm, I thought this 94-97 TA Connector we are talking about is the same as a 98+ Connector. I could look into the Firebird, but someone brought up an interesting point. it'll light up red, which I'm not sure if I want that or not. Wouldn't like a 95 Manual ODO Firebird cluster work? I think the Lt1 Bird clusters are shaped like 97+ Camaros. With the digital, does it just work? Using the VSS signal or something? Not 100% on how it would automatically work lol. The only thing discussing that was to hook the headlight dimmer up to it.


I dug this up, not sure if you've read it but its real good points about the swap:


I appreciate the help. The only problem with the light bulb option is
that most of the indicators on the cluster are solid state
electronics. Indicatore such as the SES, seat belt, ASR and others
work off of internal circuits. After looking at schematics I'm
wondering if on the 97 and up F bodies that have the ASR or TCS if
there is always an indicator on showing status of the traction system.
I know there is an ASR off light and an ASR on light, but are they
both ever off (not lit up)? As for what scoobysnax83 was asking, for
the conversion, you need the newer style dash and all trim pieces, the
upper dash piece (goes from windshield to dash), the main HVAC ducting
(large plastic piece), a small HVAC piece for the drivers side
defroster outlet, the newer A pillar trim (convertible and T top are
the same, coupe is different), 1997 guage cluster (this is the only
year that will work with older wiring harnesses), 1997 and newer
cluster connector (same one used on Firebirds from 1994 -2002), the
trunk release button moves from the glove box (93-96) to under the
steering column (97-02) it's the same connector and button so you just
have to extend the wires, the fog light moves from the headlamp switch
to the center radio/HVAC bezel and it also uses the same connector
(different switch though) so these wires need extended also. The rear
defroster moves to the HVAC controls and uses a new connector that
requires only 4 wires instead of 5 (the gray wire is no longer used
for lighting the switch as it has it's own internal circuit for this),
you need to re-use your original connections on the rest of the HVAC
controls (the rest of the electrical plugs in, the cable from the
center dial bolts on and the right dial is the vacuum controller for
operating all the "doors" in the system, simply screw the old controls
onto the new HVAC plate and use the new dial (97 & up have lighted
lines on the dials at night (the light is transferred through clear
plastic from the illumination lights) and thats it for the HVAC
controls), the new HVAC ducts screw in the same places as the old ones
and hook right up to the existing duct that is mounted to the firewall
(gotta love the engineering at GM),. I did this to a 1995 Camaro and
my original passenger side air bag bolted right up with no problems,
the glove box latch is the same for all years on Camaros so just
remove it from the old and put it on the newer glove box and your key
will still lock it. The entire dash screws to the firewall at the same
5 points for all years. I did learn from the factory manuals that you
need to disable the air bags fuse and actually unplug the connectors
for them before doing anything with the dash (for safety), also remove
the connectors at the base of the steering column for the brakes,
cruise control ignition, etc. because you have to lower the column to
do this conversion and those wires won't travel that far (they are all
different connectors so replacing them is just trial and error until
they all fit where they go). Removing the front seats would have
helped and when putting the new dash in, I would recommend putting the
dash metal support (thin metal part that runs the length of the dash
on the bottom for support), then bolt in the passenger air bag and
looosely have the main HVAC duct where it goes and put it into the car
as a unit, then before bolting it all together is when you have to
route the old wiring harness. Then screw the dash in and start putting
all the little pieces back together. The last thing I did was put the
wires from the old guage cluster connector into the new connector and
plug it in to the new cluster. I have many of the GM part numbers for
this and Scott and all the guys at Speed Automotive were very helpful.
I also have the schematics and the cross reference for what wires go
where.
*I forget the origional post, but its this guy:

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/382837


:edit: This is the thread I dug up https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=112330

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Old Jan 28, 2008 | 08:04 AM
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If you want a Camaro cluster, only the 97 will work. The 98 will not work because the fuel sending unit works on a different scale (70-240 ohms vs 0-90 ohms) and the tach uses a different signal. The 99+ cluster won't work because the gauges work off a serial data signal from the PCM.

The alternative is using a Firebird cluster. But whatever cluster you use you will need the connector , because they are different. the pins are the same and can be swapped from one connector to the other once you get a pinout for them.

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Old Jan 28, 2008 | 10:56 AM
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Ahh very nice. Thanks. I've been looking for the actual explination why ONLY 97 camaro works. Thanks

By firebird, what years? Just 94-97 or something? By different connector, arent the 94+ Birds the same connector as 97+ camaro?
Old Jan 28, 2008 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by theratdude64
By firebird, what years? Just 94-97 or something? By different connector, aren't the 94+ Birds the same connector as 97+ camaro?
I would assume they are the same but I haven't tried to know for sure. Not much of a "Bird" man. I think I have a pinout chart for them somewhere. I did this same conversion on my Z but I changed the entire interior harness with the dash.

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Old Jan 28, 2008 | 10:53 PM
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I've done a LS1/T56 and FULL LS1 style Interior in an 89 IROC, so I'm much less intimidated by the actual process But I don't know crap about firebirds
Old Jan 31, 2008 | 04:58 PM
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Well you must of not been searching for the right thing or not searching very hard as I've posted this information many times before.
93+ TA wiring pig tail same as 97+ Camaro pig tail.
The 93-96 Firebird/TA analog odometer cluster will fit right into the 97+ Camaro dash and is wired the same as the 97 Camaro wiring diagrams that are floating around. I've had a TA dash in my car, and now a 97+ Camaro dash and every combination in between.
Old Jan 31, 2008 | 11:05 PM
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I did search the right thing, and did find that information. I'm going to be getting a 95 Bird Cluster for it. The inside of the dash behind cluster needs to be cut out a little bit to accommodate the lump on the back for the manual ODO
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