Geee... I wonder why... could it possibly be that this thread has *gasp* ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with STS owners posting track times?

Thanks Luke... but how bout not feeding this kids need to hijack STS threads.

 

Grow up... Just because someone asked about something related to, but not exactly on topic is nothing to get all pissy about.

Thanks 5.0 This for posting that question as I was curious about track times with the STS kit. I have always been really skeptical about this system and it dosnt make sense to me, but I guess it works.



Now lets see if I can upset this little girl even more by asking another question about the STS...

Where do they usually start making boost? With all that piping, Im really curious.. Ive got a friend that was debating this system with me, and the answer to this question might just settle it.


Thanks guys.. And remember to try to not get your panties in a bunch.. People asking questions and people answering questions is how we learn, its not Hijacking... Grow Up!!

 

Unbelieveable...

Hey.. smart guy.. seems you have some Qs about the STS kits. Maybe starting a new thread with the topic being "STS 1/4m Times?" or "When do STS kits start making boost?" might be a excellent idea for getting the answers you want. Or, perhaps, you could REALLY use your head and try the search function instead. Just a thought...

 

people asked for actual results and i posted them. The car WAS dyno tuned..it had a major problem getting out of the hole and building boost..I quote "that POS couldnt get out of its own way before the 300' mark". It killed the low end of that car. They say the car is fun on the street and "feels" fast from a role so they are having fun with it. So..like i've always said about this kit..if you want the "neat" factor and are too intimidated to install a front mount turbo and don't care about track times this is a descent kit. It will make the car alittle faster on the street. Ive seen it and have some concerns about how it is mounted..I feel the oil feed tube mounted on the bottom is a disaster waiting to happen(this one has already smacked the road twice) and i think the return piping is too low and in a bad place right in front of the drivers side rear wheel..once again..a problem waiting to happen in my opinion. But if you do want to kick *** at the track there are better systems out there. And..just because no one posted the times slips or vid of a ptk kit doesn't mean it hasn't happened...I've seen some crapy results posted about the sts kit but people always say that it was their problem.not the kit. So when less than stellar times are posted of a sts kit there must have been a problem but unless you see the vid of a ptk kit(laying down some big hp and track numbers) they don't work..crazy stuff going on around here. And you may not see that 8.3 car on the street..but it shows that their system works. Where is the 8 sec. sts car?

 

I have ridden in an STS car. Here is my observation on your above question.... It started to make boost at 3500 rpm. When I say that I mean it went above 1 psi on the gauge or thereabouts. The car felt completely stock though until 4500rpm, when indeed there was a good rush of power. so I'd say it hit stride at 4500rpm, at which point it broke the tires loose, and then the car had to up shift very quickly. It just wasnt spending enough time in boost per gear, but again, just my observation, do with it what you like


The LS1 car I saw that had the kit.... the pipe right besides the driver's rear tire was about the width of my four main fingers on my hand off the ground (didnt have a tape handy at the time).... so I'd guess like 3 inches off the ground.

As far as the PTK kit, the people who doubt the claims are going on the idea that Jose is completely lying his *** off when posting results from PTK cars (A stock motored LT1 6 speed car went 11.0@ over 120mph with the PTK kit, hardly a drag strip queen from the description too.. and another 6 speed LT1 with a PTK kit on a built 355 that went 10.0@ like 155mph) I'm still going on the assumption that he's not lying his *** of personally It's a good working kit, and apparently to prove the results we need to hear it from the owners of the car, with pics of their timeslips, photo ID, vehicle's title, engine bay pics, in car video, and perhaps an indian head nickel and today's paper next to the listed items as well, just to prove it was today

 

Oh God.. Didnt I just tell you **** ants to grow up? How old are you? 10? Why dont you go cry to mommy that I was asking a question that was SLIGHTLY off topic, but still related to the topic at hand?

Jeez! Get a Clue PEOPLE!!!!

 

It's nice to know that all my threads get arguments going, insults thrown, and the like. I love it. NOT GROW THE F*** UP YOU STUPID A**HOLES!!!!!!!!!!!
All i wanted to know was some simple information about the sts kit. i didn't think it would escalate to this level. If you have no more good things to say about the STS kit, then just stay away from my thread. ONE more retort about what someone said and i will delete this thread completely! GOT IT? jeez. grow up.

Can't wait til i get back home tho. my car is just waiting for me to take it out. it's gonna be at least a year tho. dang. i gotta wait a year? man. of all the luck. anyway, anyone who has some good times for the STS kits, please post them. And enough talk about this PFK crap. i don't wanna hear it. Who cares about Jose and his hotparts? i don't

 

I understand why your pissed. Some people just dont know when to quit. I would like to respond to the last few posts though for clarification.

 

Personally I care about Jose and his hot parts.

In case you folks haven't been around the intrawebbernet or message boards for a while it is the nature of topics for them to get off track. Let's give an example:

Topic: What kind of fruit do you like?

I like apples

Well I like oranges!

That's a coincidence because my car is orange!

Wow my truck is orange too.

Hey that's a neat picture of your truck where did you get that lift kit?

Etc ad nauseum.

It's the natural evolution of a thread...the subject invariably changes. If you don't like it you should probably make your own message forum where you can **** Mod the hell out of it and keep the threads to the subject at hand. Until you do that you should probably just cowboy up and realize the nature of the beast.

 

300' mark??? he should be well into 2nd gear (he should be in full boost as soon as he shifts into 2nd, so that tells me he should have been in full boost in 1st gear well before the 300' mark). Some people exaggerate...but thats fine. Its funny, people say it killed the lowend, but have you ever looked at a graph comparing before and after STS dyno numbers. Below is a GTO's graph. They started the STS pull about 500rpm after the stock baseline pull started. However, within 500rpm the torque on the sts car already was higher than the torque before the sts was installed. The area under the curve is so much more for the sts curve then the before curve.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/attach...chmentid=19705

As far as make the car a little faster on the street, thats not accurate. Its makes the car alot faster on the street. As fast as a front mount with equal mods, most likely not. I have taken a ride in a 630rwhp/600rwtq STS car at only 10psi. He runs 14psi on the street. That car hauls some serious groceries. My LT1 with traction is a low 12 car @ 114-117mph depending on tuning ad he would *** rape me in that thing. When the boost hits its like being punched in the chest. I have also been in a stock LS1 that had headers and 4.5psi STS. That car picked up 7mph with the 4.5psi. 7mph more than a little faster, and thats not alot of psi. Could a front mount deliver more mph with 4.5psi, maybe...but thats not being debated.

As far as les than stellar times, atleast people are posting them!! Jose referenced two cars, which is fine. I am not saying Jose is lieing, because I dont think he is. I think customers may exaggerate slightly unless they can provide Jose with a slip. One particular example, the stockish LT1 with 10psi that trapped 130mph. We are talking 30mph over stock #'s from only 10psi??? Thats unheard of. Again, I am not saying Jose is lieing, it would be nice to see some proof thats all. I wonder how many PTK kits are out there that dont have great times compared to the two example Jose listed. Should we assume that all PTK's stuff only gets sold to people that dont post on the boards??? I dont think so. Again, I am not bashing PTK (I plan on using their hotparts), but people want to compare the STS to PTK when it seems like there have been only two kits sold & running

As far as 8 second STS...be real. This kit has been out for how long? It was designed as a street kit and you know that they cant put a big enough turbo back there to get it in the 8's.

 

Sounds like something is wrong with that car. Purevil's car hits 10psi+ by 4000rpm on the street. Also, if you can read 1psi by 3500 and your in the car...you have the best damn eyes ever. It was hard enough for me see the 10psi and then look down at the tach. I assume the 10psi could be slightly before 4k. By the time you look down the rpms have increased. I seriously doubt you even saw 1psi and then looked down in a millisecond and saw where the tach was. If someone is excelerating in 1st gear, if it takes you a second to look down, I gaurantee the engine has already spun another 500rpms. That is unless he has his boost gauge on the steering column in front of the tach or if he has a huge dash tach mounted need the A pillar.

PTK has a proven setup for stangs already, so there is no need to doubt there product. HOWEVER, who is to say that the 2 customers are being 100% honest with Jose? That 11.0 was 130 I believe and then he blew the motor. Do you really think a stockish LT1 (bone stock motor) will gain 30mph over stock (130mph traps) with only 10psi and a t70 turbo? Seems like alot to me. Maybe the customer realy ran 123 or so and said 130 because maybe he didnt get a good launch and figured he would have gained more mph with traction??? Who knows? I dont see Jose as the type of person who will lie, thats why it would be nice if a customer actually faxed him or mailed him a copy to post. When there are only 2 cars out there...and neither one goes on the boards where they have been advertising this product, then people should hold off on comparing them to STS cars until we know for sure how big the gap is.

 

I'm just telling you what the driver said. And yes..it did kill low end...hence the crappy 60' times at the track. Same tire as running stock..no tire spin. But its a fun kit on the street. If thats what people are looking for and aren't worried about some of the issues that have been talked about alot on this board..then I say go for it. I think the owner plans onputting a converter and gear in the car to try and help it out. On a side note he said it doesn't feel like such a turd out of the hole on the street since it can spin the tires which helps it get into boost sooner..

As far at the ptk kit..I can't speak for Jose but I doubt he is going to this board and ls1tech and posting up bogus information. I know ptk are very well respected in the mustang world and lay down some good numbers. Why aren't more running them here..my guess is they are intimidated or lazy. Either that or they are just going for a "cool" factor and not that much worried about maxamizing their turbo setup. Its much harder to install a ptk kit than a sts kit. I hope to build my own within a year or so..we will see if that happens.

 

I wont debate the car your talking about because its not my car. However, common sense says that making adjustments to your launch technique will results in better times.

As far as PTK, like I already said, I dont think Jose is posting BS. I just dont neccesarily think all the correct info was given to him (especially from the bone stock LT1 guy). I would love to start seeing PTK fbody results, especially since i have a T76 sitting in my garage.

 

He was alittle pissed/dissapointed so that may have played into the 300' statement. And I would be too after the first pass was over 1 sec. slower than the week before without the turbo. The did get it down some and got back in to the 12s...but there were a couple of 13 sec. passes before that happened. Their first 60' was somewhere in the 2.7 if I remember right...so they did play with launch technique and brought the numbers down.

If I do the turbo setup..I will be going with a t-88 or something equal in size. But I too would like to see more numbers. Maybe someone should post a thread asking if anyone is running them.

 

There are several more PTK guys floating around here that dont speak up or arent finished putting every last detail together (myself included).

STS and PTK can never truly be compared as equals, as that was never the intent. STS is a street driven kit. That GTO made peak Tq at what, 4200-4300rpm? The dyno is impressive over 3500rpm, but I am suprised that the HP curve does not continue to climb, as is often commonplace with turbo systems. 450hp and 515tq... certainly reasonable numbers, though it just doesnt have some of the same putput as other "traditional" kits. A PTK kit is capable of more by design. It is also more efficient. These are things we know. STS makes power, so does PTK. PTK costs more, and that is what you pay for. I dont like how STS does things, but who am I to judge what other people want for their cars? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. As is his wallet and his lust for power.

Another thing to remember is on the "Seat of the Pants" test, after driving seval LS1 cars, including a GTO and a 2002 WS6, my 95lt1 felt a lot faster. It wasnt faster then the Ws6 (GTO felt really slow) and we proved it against each other -- but that's an effect of the power curve. A hard TQ spike is what drives you into your seat and gives you that smack feeling.


Also people seem to forget load in the turbo equation. In a friend's old GST I could free rev the engine and build 2-3psi of boost by redline. Spinning the tires from a stop in 1st gear maybe 6 or 7. Gunning it in 3rd on the highway - instant 14psi. Load plays a huge factor in the turbo output, another blessing and curse of turbo systems.

A STS system is limited in many ways where the PTK is not. STS is a Street Kit. It is easier to install (but if youve pulled the engine out of an lt1 fbody you probably shrug at an underhood turbo install...) and that's how it is. STS is cheaper. STS puts the turbo in back. It does what it does. PTK does what it does.

If you really want to compare PTK vs STS - I bet a PTK car will be faster on the track (all else including traction equal) produce more power under the curve, be in boost longer, and the like. However the peak numbers will not be that far off. Depending on each exact car, they might feel the same or one feel faster then the other. That's all up in the air and depends on the car and the driver.

Now we all need to relax, grow up a little, and discuss this like civilized people. If it gets too far off topic, the mods will delete it. Obviously as it is still around it has some hope for becoming a decent discussion (though it has been debated in the past a thousand times and will be again a thousand more). I suggest people hold their tongues till we get some questions that can be calmly answered. If you want to **** at each other, do it in private over aim or something. People want answers and there are those that want to help them and educate the masses. Lets try to keep this under control guys.