PTK VS STS SHOOT OUT. This i want to see. Who here wants to rep STS? any takers and who will rep ptk? I biggest question is not wich is faster but where the hell will you find a ptk car that runs.

 

Jose

I look in my engine compartment and I assume it would go on the passenger side, but I sure don't see enough room for the turbo, let alone the pipng without re-location. The intercooler certainly would not fit anywhere. On top of that my plastic hood would'nt appreciate a 800 - 1000 degree turbo just under it.
maybe I'm wrong.

Armin

 

plenty of LS1 guys running under-the-hood turbos (you know, the right way) and havent damaged their hoods.

 

Hey, Jeepoo. Run over to LS1Tech.com and check out Y2Khawks twin turbo setup. You might learn a thing or two.

 

96TurboTA
I saw Y2KHawks site. All the Kudos to him he did an excellent job. But you are still missing the point. That is not for the average guy on the list. Do you have any idea how much that install would cost if you had a shop do the install. Also we are talking an 8 sec. car, which again is not what the majority
can afford or want. For Y2K to put his car back to stock would be a bit of a problem. My point is that with the STS the install is 6-8hrs.(took us 10)and I can remove the system in an hour or two and you wouldn't know that it ever had a turbo.(Ihave 100k mile ext. warranty and still have 50K left) So for a 400-500 RWHP result, more with Meth Inj. I still say the STS right now is the only system that can provide that.And unlike Jose(read new distributor for PTK) I am in no way involved with STS except that I have purchased the System.

 

As an aside I have no intention of knocking any kit out there because I am sure they all work and as long as people got what they paid for thats great. The only reason that I even replied to this thread was because Jose was beating up on the STS kit, while pretending he had no connection to PTK, although he did on a number of occasions offer to provide more info on PTK.
If my info is wrong and I've got the wrong Jose I offer my sincerest apologies.
Armin

 

Just curious as to how the STS kit enriches the fuel under boost? Do you have to replace the factory injectors? Thanx.

 

The MAF/pcm will deal with the air/fuel for the base kit, and above that point you can tune with larger injectors and or sequential methanol injection.

 

If STS puts out intercoolers for their kits, that would be a really cool thing. It's not my style, but it would give some people the piece of mind...

Not to mention if they do other cars and imports they'll end up making really nice money, and suffice to say, that's how you get better product, and happier people. Gotta give props for success, which they are having.

But STS isnt my style. I dont like it. But hey, that's just me. Search and figure it out on your own.

And if there is a shootout of the turbo kits, count me in once the car is finished.

On my PTK hot parts I havent had to cut, weld, gut, or cobb a single piece of my car. All I had to relocate was the AIR pump for the turbo.

 

the thing I love about this kit is it has a CARB no. The PTK doesn't and they told me it probably would'nt. Like mentioned before this kit can be put back to stock so easy, which is imporant to me in case I need to in a hurry, such as in the case of an accident where my car is totaled and being sold to a junkyard. Also having the turbo in the back will save it and the piping from any damage that might occur from a front end collison which seems to happen more than rear ones. I really don't know to much about turbos, but I know I want 400 rwhp, and to get that with a heads/cam will be pretty hard to come by with staying legal. I am just your everyday car enthusiast wanting the best bang for my buck. Sure there might be better kits, but at a heavier price and harder to install. If the boost is slower than other turbos, I could care less, its still better than the supercharger kits that take redline to achieve full boost. I know this is comparing apples to oranges, but I look at it from a performance gain vs price, my car is my daily driver, as I'm sure many others are the same, so looking for a cheap way to make good power and retain stock driving characteristics is number one importance. I see some argue the the mythal/water is not good cause it needs to be filled all the time, well STS told me for 5 psi just straight water is fine, unless I go with higher boost such as at the track, so this works out great, as water is real cheap. To have a cam/heads package that puts out this much power will cost much more since I will need someone to install all of it (Ilive in an apartment) The STS can be installed out in the parking lot pretty quickly, without having the car all apart like a cam install.

 

Mainly the first "review" seemed to be little more than 1 page of advertising and 3 pages of pictures and this highly informative evaluation regarding performance: "I rode in an STS-turbo'd Tahoe and it felt good". The "reviewer" didn't even drive the vehicle himself? All he had to say was that it "felt good"? It may be a good product (I'm still skeptical) but that half assed puff piece is not my idea of a legitimate product review.

 

DJames, my thoughts exactly. I think this kit is a great buy for an enthusiast who really just wants to stick to moderate bolt-ons or just lacks the serious funding needed for a superior kit. The PTK kit looks like an excellent system as well, but you gotta deal with new headers and relocating stuff, so IMO it's a little more of a PITA; and I'm assuming their base kit is comparable in hp/tq to the STS kit. If I had the loot, I'd order an STS kit right now based on the ease of installation and bang for the buck.

But my only question is that they say that the MAF/pcm takes care of fuel enrichment on their 5psi kit. I've been told and read elsewhere that the LT1 MAF is a little slower at processing data vs. a more modern LS1 MAF, hence it's not recommended that you spray nitrous through the MAF of an LT1 unless you want to frag your bottom-end. I know that nitrous and a turbo are different, but wouldn't that slower MAF of an LT1 potentially have a problem keeping up under boost? Just wondering.

The Sport Truck review is definitely more informative. I hope GMHTP tests it out. Bottom line is the set-up works, plain and simple.

 

I'm no fan of the STS system, but 5psi isn't too much for the stock MAF. It will read in closed loop just fine. If you're maxing it out at 5psi, that's a different story.