Also, couldn't someone just lift the back of the car up and hack off that $3000+ system? At least the turbo anyway. I think I'd rather have it under the hood and it stay there than have it out back and ripped off when someone figures out my setup,lol.

 

PTK doesnt even come with a turbo in its price last time I checked.

 

The thing is no matter what kind of "costs" anyone can come up with you have to remember this is a production piece.... theres a LOT more to factor into the price of this kit. Everything from paying the bills at STSs shop.. to the parts themselves.. to the labor to pay employees. All of those things are factored into a production piece, thats just how you run a business.... and when these kits are the "bread and butter" of the companies dime then you can see why they couldnt just make a little profit on the kits. *I have no idea how STS runs their business, this is just my opinion.*

Not to mention the ease of having a kit delivered to your door and then the same day having it installed is worth the money to some.

Although... I do think a BOV should be included with the kit, whether is means upping the price or not.

 

Yes, but i think Jose said the "hot parts" kit is around $1,500, maybe a little more... which is described here:

http://www.proturbokits.com/store/sc...?idproduct=155

So let's assume you can do the install yourself. The price of the hot parts kit plus a turbo, BOV, wastegate and maybe a few other parts and you can possibly have a complete non-IC kit for around 3 grand (or at most, no more than the STS) that will out perform the STS at all boost levels. It'll respond faster, be more efficient, and the hot parts kit alone can support well over 700rwhp with a good turbo. And it'll take to an intercooler better since there is much less intake piping. Akly/meth injection is good, but it can be dangerous band-aid for lack of an intercooler. and if you want more form the PTK kit, upgrade to their race version and kiss the other side of 1000rwhp.

I'm not trying to bash the STS, i know it's a proven performer for mild combos. I just feel like you get more for your money with a front mount kit (since they are about the same) from a company dedicated and proven with these types of setups. Once you go FI, you better plan on future intentions very carefully.... cause that itch to keep turning up the boost will get worse everytime you turn the key.

 

Mild? Im over 700 rwhp at 14 psi. People from this site have been in my car.

 

I've heard about your car numerous times, and to be honest I am impressed. However, i'll stick with a front mount. The reasons have been hashed out many times over.

 

My brother bought a PTK kit for his mustang with a T67 for $4200

One of my best friends LT1 PTK kit with a MP70 was $4900

Take an STS kit $3900 + upgrade turbo $400 + meth or intercooler $300-800


I really dont see the savings that people claim with STS.

 

mustang **** is dirt cheap, you cant even compare. I can build a 10 sec mustang for 1/4 of what I got into my car

 

I guess you didnt see the LT1 kit I posted right below the rustang. Still the prices between PTK and STS arent that far off. Not as much as many people believe.

 

To me, the main difference comes from the price of install. Not everyone has the ability, technical knowledge, or equipment to install a turbo system themselves. That is where the STS can save you a good chunk of change over a conventional set-up.

-Mike

 

If you can put a set of headers in a 4th gen by yourself, then you can install a turbo kit (bolt-in). I changed out the POS stock manifolds for the MACs in the Z, and have removed/replaced the entire turbo system (turbo, lines, headers, crossover, etc) in the GN.... replacing the turbo system in the GN was easier, BTW But seriously, the PTK kit (from what i've seen) doesn't have many (if any) real fitment issues. You just put it in there (but make sure you pour a little oil into the turbo's oil feed boss and turn the shaft a few times to lube the bearings... they'll hate you if you run them dry). Probably the hardest parts will be running the oil feed and drain tubes. Then from there figure out what you want to do with the exhaust after the downpipe. I'm not trying to make it sound easy, but it isn't rocket science either.

 

Do you get to keep your AC? No doubt its a good kit but some people dont like the under hood heat, the changing of plugs can take hours and hours on some kits. Some people dont need the 800hp there content with 500 or 400 on a stock car. Why buy the ptk unless your going to make an beast. Believe me when I want the 1000 rwhp it will be with a front mount.

 

Good points. I guess that easier install is what people are really after too.

From the pics i've seen, you do keep the AC and everything. At least on the street version. The race version with the larger primaries and such might require removal of the AC. Jose has a bunch of pics.

 

Because even at lower power levels, the PTK kit will still have more time in boost in each gear(lower boost threshhold) and quicker spool.

 

Oh, I agree, but others may not. If it's someone's only vehicle, they may not be able to afford the amount of downtime that is required for the install of a front mount. Many people are intimidated by the very idea of tearing their vehicle apart even for the slightest little thing. Having the right tools is another factor. I get the shakes when I think back to trying to get after the rear manifold bolts with the car on jackstands and a non-pivoting ratchet . T'was a very long day with those FLP's lol. It just depends on the person, and their situation. I'm not saying that a rear-mount is a better design, but I can see why it would be attractive to many.

Btw, I'd rather work in my G-body's engine bay any day of the week

-Mike