Have you guys seen the article on superchargersonline.com. They compared the two and sure bash the p-1sc. I guess its not up to all the claims they say it is, and the s-trim is way more efficiant and a better unit! What do you guys think

 

The other side of the story....geez.

http://www.procharger.com/consumer_alert.shtml

 

Im a loser, I do like the other side of the story alot better. I know that theres always 2 sides to one story, guess I got a little wound up when I read it! Thanks for the slap in the back of the head to wake up, I needed it!

 

I've read a few posts on this board over the years. from what I've gathered the vortech head unit is built better & more durable the the comparable procharger S TRIM vs P1SC. But I don't listen very well. I think Procharger has a better package (KIT w/ducting & intercoolers)............Joe

 

No, of course you're not a loser. I wish that stuff wasn't out there to have to defend. There of course is a back story as to why you found that so prominently on that website. Suffice to say, I hope, that they are not ATI dealers, but were in the past and lost their distributorship. There my be some sour grapes there.

The ATI street oriented head units such as the P1SC and D1SC are designed for 80k+ mile service when operated under typical performance application conditions. This means you may lean on it over and over again and expect it to hold together as long as you don't exceed the maximum rated rpm. For most systems a 3 year warranty is available for $49 that includes oil changes providing the system isn't spec'd over 8 psi.

The oil temperature comparison has been done over and over again with 3rd party participation as well and the self contained units are always superior in oil temp. They just run cooler internally, always.

The P1SC flows 200+ cfm over an S-Trim, you'd have to step up to a T trim to equal the maximum airflow of a P1SC. The P1SC and D1SC also feature a 4.10 internal gear compared to a 3.45 of the Vortech V-1 line. This means at any given airflow (boost) the ATI pulley will be larger and provide more belt grip allowing you to obtain more performance from the supercharger before belt slip becomes the limiting factor.

 

I dunno about all that, the Procharger guys get my buisness when I eventually do this becasue they seem to have wonderful customer service. I do believe they have been out to my buddies shop a few times to help out, I just get the vibe they're a overall good, honest company.

Mini thread hijack...

Will the P-1SC be the unit I need to look at for a mostly street car with a stock or mild 355. I'm really worried more about reliabilty than power. Also do I have to tear up or modify much to work one of these.

Sorry to sound dumb my in depth SC inquiries are just a few days old, started when I picked up the Procharger brochure at said local shop Saturday.

 

Yes, either the P1SC or D1SC. They share transmissions and are the same size, shape etc. The difference is in the impeller and internal volute contours. Either would be appropriate for long term street/strip performance.

Is this for the warbird?

 

Yep, the cement truck is already turboed

 

That's pretty much what I took from the two opposing articles

 

The P1SC may generate 200 more cfm than an S-trim, but does so with less efficiency. If the belt is tensioned properly, it should not slip.

I ran a P600B too for years, it ran pretty good.

The belt tensioners on both kits for the f-body could be better designed. That's one big advantage with a turbo, you don't have to worry about belt maintenance.

 

Take what either company tells you with a grain of salt. They're trying to sell you something so obviously they're going to tell you that their product is unmatched, and way more advanced or efficient than the other guy's product. Short story, both companies make a good product and you can't really go wrong with either.

 

Well I'm certainly not compensated for providing tech or application advice on this forum. I do feel however that the information I try to provide is worth more than "a grain of salt". You can bet I won't be found here bashing anybody's product, but I will defend against a test that was engineered to deceive.

 

I don't receive a dime for posting on this or any other forum either. Some one should get that changed. I could use an extra dime here and there.

Honestly, this is just a question of marketing/advertising. The concept of "tell them our product is better" isn't a new one by any stretch. Our product can do______ while brand x can't. 4 out of 5 recommend brand y. Our unbiased taste test reveals that more people prefer our brand than any other. Same story no matter what you buy. That's why I mentioned the salt.

Personally, I've never used a Procharger system on my own vehicles, but I've installed them on a few and I've driven a few as well. I chose Vortech because I liked the idea of the oil being constantly filtered and changed every 3000 miles. I also think their bracketry is more stable, and their tensioner is much better than the ATI version. On the flip side, I like the self contained blower because they didn't require tapping into the oil pan which should, in theory, have fewer leaks.

As I stated though, either system is going to produce good power for a street car. Either system will run for 50k+ miles as long as it is maintained. Either system is a good choice.

 

Ok. Then i'm going to state the obvious. If you don't know. The Votech system uses an air to water intercooler witch requires a reservoir for water & pump to circulate water from the back of the car to the front or another location that suits you.......Before everybody tells this young man (Yes you can go air to air with using someone else's plumbing & intercooler but it was designed to run with thier water to air setup. needs Ice to keep it cool etc etc) The procharger is air to air. looks clean & upgradeable to larger single FMIC in the future. as stated above both are engineered to run for a long time with proper maintenance. Vortech uses oil from engine. Procharger is oiled internally. So in my opinion Procharger would seem to be more trouble free then Vortech. No water pump to go bad No oil lines that leak............Joe