why's that?

 

It is amazing how so many people can come up with the same stupid comments after 8 months of this thing being hashed in this forum.

The bottom line is that this kit makes enough power to KILL 95% of the cars that are in the FI forum, and 98% of the cars on the board.

It is innovative.

It is inexpensive (see how much it costs you to make 520 hp out of a procharger, or a twin t system).

If you don't like it don't buy it.

If you don't have anything constructive to say.....


BBB

 

Not really buddy.

The STS kit IMO is "cool" but other than that it's not that great. And I would hate to have my exhaust sound like the cars with STS, sounds like garbage. I mean honestly, they made the kit rear mounted for the sole purpose of having the cool factor so people that aren't so quick will say oh wow I want that. Yea it makes numbers but not great ones, especially for all the hype it's been getting (once again, cool factor). The design is not too good. No real intercooler, long distance to the turbo (people have been mounting the turbo straight to the manifold for a reason), ridiculous oiling system, and most of all it makes your car sound like ***. All that for what? There are only shortcomings, no strong points, and it doesn't compare to any other turbo kit. Sorry STS, I think you are , but that's just my opinion.

 

Gotta love all of the bickering. We'll see how in runs in a few more months....then people can either praise it or shoot it down.

It does produce good numbers....but you have to remember, those are corrected (inflated) numbers to altitude where the correction factor isn't as applicable for turbo as it is for N/A. I believe the last dyno correction factor was 1.23 or close to it.

Like I said....we'll see in the Spring. I'm going with a custom turbo setup as well but it won't be the STS but it will be very close to the same cost, if not a bit less expensive.

There's really no point in knocking the setup until we see some numbers and until the track opens, we won't be seeing anything except for Gtech times.

 

The reason that car sounds like ***, for the most part is that it running straight manifolds. Run any camm'd car with straight manifolds, tell me how much you love the lope of a cc306 with manifolds.

And who gives a **** what it sounds like, put a bullet on it, if your so damned concerend with the aesthetics, goto the appearance forum.

 

Since some of you guys are saying the numbers seem good cause of high altitude, what kind of numbers do you think it will pull out at sea level. I find myself interested in this kit since its about 1500 bucks cheaper than any other kit, true it might not be great having the turbo back there but for those of us who can't afford the better kits, this one is tempting, although I'd like to see first how this will hold up before buying.

 

*sigh*

Here is my response from another STS thread-

"I raced the STS turbo LS1 in my vette. My car goes pretty consistent 12.6 at 110 NA with a density elevation that is usually 7k. At sea level, my car trapped 121 pretty regular. Stock LS1 cars here are lucky too break ino the 13's.

I killed the car off the line (IRS) and figured he'd have no chance in hell of running me down. At about 100 he came trucking by me pretty good. I would say the LS1 STS car would go mid 12's at 115 or so. That's a 1.5 second improvement over stock. At sea level, it would be interesting to see what an STS car would do.

The owner of the STS car too me for a short ride after the race. I haven't ridden in a conventional turbo LS1, but the lag didn't seem that bad. In first gear, from a 5 mph punch, he would see full boost by 3300 or so. As he shifted (its a 6 speed), it would take a split second for the boost to come back, but nothing too drastic. I doubt you could snap your fingers in the length of time it took for the boost to come back between gear changes. We never did any punches form a high RPM in a higher gear (like 65 in third) but he said the boost comes on real fast in a higher gear that puts more load on the engine.

Anyway, the cars are pretty quick for the cost of the kit.

What if you were to run some cooling fins down the length of the charge pipe? Or header wrap the exhaust? there are lots of things that "could" be done to improve this kit. It hasn't been out long enough, tested enough, or put on enough cars for anyone to say its good or bad."

Like it or not, the kit makes good power. For all its shortcoming, and ineffcient design, its tough to argue with 500+ HP on a fuggen stock LS1.

 

1mstfyter - Any updates since you ordered the kit last month?

 

I've been wondering the same thing. Maybe jet-hot the ehaust pipe, though. Those might be good options from the manufacturer.

 

With the stock overlap on the cam, it isn't doing the turbo any favors. Yes, if I was going this route I'd ceramic coat the exhaust. On the intake side, would require an intercooler to really get the temps down... but the methanol injection seems to be working.

 

what a load of crap!

Turbos do not work off of "air pressure" turning the turbine wheel, they work off of very hot expanding gasses! By the time the exhaust gets to the back of the car its pretty much done expanding...

Don''t waist your money on it or your time talking about it!
Nuff said.

 

wow, so several people tell you they have seen the kit work but you insist theres no way its producing any power? This is very typical for some reason of a lot of the internet crowd...because someone sometime says it can't work, no amount of proving will make people believe it can...

I think I understand why people don't really develop innovative designs anymore...if its not based off something that has been done, people will not believe it no matter what you do to prove it.

 

I saw the LT1 car make 522 RWHP and 620 RWTQ on the dyno. How the hell is that "not working?"

 

I do beleive they were in constant contact with a Garret tec on desiging the exhaust side of the turbo to work with "cooler" exhaust gas temps do to the length of the system.

Full boost on a turbo car @ 3,300 rpm + or - is not all that bad on a LT1 since we make peak TQ arround 2,300 rpms.

All you guys complaining about intake track length why dont you go take off any FMIC set up and straighten up the pipe and see how much longer STS set up is and then add in Intercooler pressure drop to due restrictions. It's really hard to compare a "top notch" conventional FMIC turbo set up to what STS has to offer but for the ease of installation, cost , cool factor , you simply cant touch it.

Hell If they throw me a kit to test out I'll strap one on the 97 forme and give you guys some sea level #s and give it back to them so everybody will shut up. I'll install it, dyno it, race it and provide full before and after #s on HP/TQ and track performance.

Stop hating or I'll be forced to spray ya!!

 

Do you remember any specifics about the setup? PSI, methanol, cam, heads...? I'd like to get an STS, so I'd be very interested in any details you can remember. Thanks.