then enlighten me, what's the point of spending 3 thousand dollars and getting turbo lag, low horsepower, and ruining the exhaust sound of your car

 

Sorry, not trying to start anything but I have to agree with Z28COnrad on that one....but hey....to each his own.

 

You should go read the FAQ on that turbo site. What you said is basically exactly the opposite of what the designers are saying. For example, it explains the simple chemistry behind why heat does not equal air velocity; heat does not mean any performance gain, in fact. Also explains how their 8 feet tubing manages to create FULL boost under 3000 rpm, as low as 1800 under severe engine loading.

 

heat does not equal air velocity but it DOES equal higher pressure......according to the ideal gas law : pv=nrt

p is the pressure
v is the volume
n is the quantity present
r is the univeral gas constant
and t is the temperature

since n and r remain constant, if t goes up (which it does) then either pressure, volume or some combination of the two must go up.....since volume cannot go up (without exploding the combustion chamber) pressure MUST, then as the exhaust gases are permitted to expand (with the opening of the exhaust valve) they do so very rapidly which is what runs the turbo, this is why hot exhaust gases are able to run turbos and cool exhaust gases don't run turbos as effeciently......the exhaust gases are WAY cooled off by the time they get to the turbo in the STS system........ oh and you'll find that chemistry (simple or otherwise) has very close to nothing to do with turbo operation, thermodynamics and physics are the subjects one should research

BTW, i'm not trying to make it out to be a BAD system per say, i'm just saying that at the price there are better options....

 

How many of these kits are out there that all these STS camaro's are whooping everyone's asses? I'd be pretty sure that if they were beating every camaro and firebird on the street that there would be NO trash talk about the system. Everyone would just want one! Maybe that is the underlying problem, there aren't enough out there that have real world results. I've only read about a handful on this site, and have never actually seen one. Any STS car that runs would beat my car right now, mine doesn't even have a motor in it

 

The LS1 in Vegas is running 12.727 @ 115.77 (2.133 60')....not sure if that was on 5 or 8psi but I believe the latter since he was running his methanol injection.

 

I have had this same "discussion" with quite a number of individuals for about the last 11 months. It always sorts out about the same

Them: STS sucks

Me: ?? It solves alot of problems and makes good numbers.

Them: It can't work. It isn't efficient, and the turbos are in the wrong place.

Me: Look at their site for the FAQ then call Rick. It still makes good numbers.

Them: Yeah, but the $3-5g I spent on my barely streetable heads, cam, and longtubes makes more sense somehow.

Me: You make 425hp for 3-5k and they make 520+ for $3K. You made a great choice and I am happy for you.

Them: It still won't work because it dosn't have an intercooler and the turbo is still too far away. Besides it must BOIL the gasoline because of its placement.

Me: you haven't read their FAQ or talked to Rick yet have you?

Them: It doesn't matter who I talk to I have decided that it won't work therfore it won't



Get the idea?

Go to their site, call Rick. To date, everyone that I have seen that has had something negative to say about the STS changes their mind with one simple ride.

BBB

 

Thats a far cry from the 520+rwhp that these beasts are supposed to be running.

 

once again - read the FAQ and information out there...

at 5psi they make about 350rwhp...not too damn bad if you ask me. Crank it up to 7psi like Luke has and he's making 408rwhp. Put some low compresion pistons in the thing like they did at STS, crank the boost up to 11psi and they were pulling 520rwhp on an otherwise stock motor - I'd be happy.

http://www.ststurbo.com/turbo_camaro_dynojet

 

link me to a place where an STS kit has made 520 rwhp on a STOCK LT1 engine, otherwise you're spending more than the already rediculous 3000 dollars to prep the engine. (which i don't necessarily take issue with but again, thats more money in an already inneffecient system). Even the 350hp runs were made running methanol and water injection (again adding to the the cost of the system) so you're telling me that constantly filling up the methanol and water injection tanks is streetable? yeah screw that.....

http://www.ststurbo.com/turbo_camaro_dynojet that engine will probably last all of 500 miles under load....it made the numbers (with added cost of pistons), but it's gonna make even bigger numbers in someone's checkbook when it throws a rod through the bottom of the block....

As far as reading the FAQ, its THEIR FREAKIN SITE!!!! THEY ARE THE ONES WHO DREAMT UP THIS REDICULOUS IDEA, HELLOOOOOo I'm sure they have a bunch of nonsense to justify making a completely ineffecient turbo system then selling it to people.

http://www.thunderracing.com/dynogra...n=read&pgid=62 theres a cam only package with a few modifications that most people do anyway, it destroys the STS's capabilities on a stock bottom end engine, granted its an LS1 but for the price of an LT1 thats in good enough shape to turbocharge plus the STS system, one could get an LS1 and cam it......way more streetable, sounds way better, makes more power, and doesn't require any stupid methanol or water injection.......

 

so your saying for the price of a $5000 LT1 + $3000 for a turbo and $400 for a methanol kit, you can buy an LS1 ($9000 at least here) and throw a cam/headers/whatever else in it and make 408RWHP?

And please get your facts straight..the 350RWHP runs were not on methanol, just on standard 5psi...methanol will allow you to run up to 7-8psi on these motors, and that doesn't change much with different FI systems.

Show me another package that makes 520RWHP for $3000 + new pistons on an LT1.

 

um...I just looked at that link...that TR cam is making 398RWHP...thats about 10 less than Luke is at 7psi. How is this completely destroying the capabilities of the STS kit?? Notice the $2000 worth of mods that went along with the cam kit (another $1000+) to make these numbers? You really need to research these things better before you really make yourself look stupid...

 

first off the cam kit is not 1000 dollars, its 700........so this Luke....he's running methanol and water injection isn't he? as such i'd say his kit is pretty unstreetable, or its at least less streetable than I'd be willing to put up with, constantly filling up that crap.....plus putting out only 10 more hp than a cam kit isn't brag worthy......its shameful.......and I notice no one has commented on how the turbo kit makes the car sound like absolute CRAP.......which it does......

If i'm gonna spend money on a forced induction kit it damn well better be more powerful than a freakin cam swap by more than 10 hp, ESPECIALLLY if i'm running methanol and water injection......don't waste my time with this bull.....get a real power adder.....

 

an LT1 that you pay 5000 for won't last very long under boost.....

 

ok well, theres obviously no convincing you of anything since you have made up your mind that somehow this $3000 turbo kit on an LT1 sucks compared to an LS1 with the same or more $$ worth of mods, and the turbo is obviously inferior since its making more power, right?

Good luck.