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Old May 13, 2008 | 01:38 PM
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Ben someone told me that the car has a 3.4 whipple and not a KB. But i'm not really sure and he's not really saying his mods.
Old May 13, 2008 | 03:35 PM
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Wow, if he's got 3.4 whipple that definitely swing the balance of power in his favor. I thought 3.4 whipple's were putting out 700 plus neighborhood ? If so, that would be very mean. I don't think I would take the bait if he is making upwards of 700 ? Sounds like somebody is trying to be sneaky. What color is this Cobra ? If you need a stand in for a Fort Wayne racer, I have a friend with a LPE twin turbo vette that makes 650 ish on low boost and 750 ish on high boost. My cousin (lives out in aboite township area) also has a twin screw maggie making 550 ish in a silver C5 with a minu-tub, pretty mean car.
Old May 13, 2008 | 04:31 PM
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Ben someone told me that the car has a 3.4 whipple and not a KB. But i'm not really sure and he's not really saying his mods.
His brother is claiming it is a whipple (a new one that is supposedly quiet). He says it was running 19#'s of boost. I don't think its "that" (700 RWHP) powerfull as I don't see how he would've hooked on DR's like he did in 1st gear (unless he was short shifting it).

Not to mention if he was upwards to 700 RWHP, he definatly would have spanked the C6 much worse than 5 cars especially getting decent traction on his drag radials

Do you have any more info on it Dan?

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Old May 13, 2008 | 05:21 PM
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If he's being sneaky its hard to say what's up ? I don't think making 675 to 700 is out of the questions if that thing is being turned to 19/20 psi. I'm not trying to suggest you will be raped, but it could turn out to be a lopsided situation if he's was somehow holding back on the goods. I've seen my buddy make almost 600 with a 03' Cobra (most of the basic bolt-ons and a 75 shot of spray. I would certainly think a 3.4 whipple could produce substantially better numbers just on it own, without the help of a 75 shot (god forbid he is hiding that in the trunk of his car ) Either way, you have a very stout package and should give him a good race, for sure run at Muncie if possible.
Old May 13, 2008 | 05:37 PM
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If he's being sneaky its hard to say what's up ? I don't think making 675 to 700 is out of the questions if that thing is being turned to 19/20 psi. I'm not trying to suggest you will be raped, but it could turn out to be a lopsided situation if he's was somehow holding back on the goods. I've seen my buddy make almost 600 with a 03' Cobra (most of the basic bolt-ons and a 75 shot of spray. I would certainly think a 3.4 whipple could produce substantially better numbers just on it own, without the help of a 75 shot (god forbid he is hiding that in the trunk of his car ) Either way, you have a very stout package and should give him a good race, for sure run at Muncie if possible.
Don't take this the wrong way man, but I'm not sure thats the case. I've seen 03 Cobras maxing out the factory blower with boost, a tune, and full exhaust make 475 RWHP. I don't believe the Whipple is cabable of 700 RWHP (at least not on its own without spray).

If he was in it all the way vs the C6 (which it looked and sounded that way), theres no way its a 700 RWHP car. He would've had serious traction issues on his un-heated drag radial, and he would've inhialated the 450 RWHP C6. Instead he chirped the tires, and only won by 5 cars.
Old May 13, 2008 | 06:32 PM
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I'm not taking it the wrong way, just saying if someone goes to the trouble of buying a 3.4 whipple (assuming that's what he really has on the car ?) then I would say he's pretty serious about winning races ! Once again, I don't think your going to get your azz handed, just saying it should be a very interesting race. I've been around tons of Cobra's and to be quite honest, none of them ever seem to run exactly the same. Some are mean as hell and others just seem like they should run better. If he raced a 450 rwhp C6 and handed him his walking papers to the tune of 5 or 6 cars, then its reasonable to think he is only making in the neighborhood of 575 to 590 rwhp (I'm agreeing with your assesment of his real power). Cobra's are so damn heavy they usually require the extra 50/60 hp just to offset the weight difference of a vette. You definitely have a stout package, just make sure the playing field is equal, that's all.

PS: for what it's worth, I hope your F-body spanks the FORD
Old May 13, 2008 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 96SilverRam
I'm not taking it the wrong way, just saying if someone goes to the trouble of buying a 3.4 whipple (assuming that's what he really has on the car ?) then I would say he's pretty serious about winning races ! Once again, I don't think your going to get your azz handed, just saying it should be a very interesting race. I've been around tons of Cobra's and to be quite honest, none of them ever seem to run exactly the same. Some are mean as hell and others just seem like they should run better. If he raced a 450 rwhp C6 and handed him his walking papers to the tune of 5 or 6 cars, then its reasonable to think he is only making in the neighborhood of 575 to 590 rwhp (I'm agreeing with your assesment of his real power). Cobra's are so damn heavy they usually require the extra 50/60 hp just to offset the weight difference of a vette. You definitely have a stout package, just make sure the playing field is equal, that's all.

PS: for what it's worth, I hope your F-body spanks the FORD

I thank you for your input. More info just in, (not sure on the accuracy), but upgraded fuel system, aftermarket clutch, stock 3.55 gears, stock intercoolers, stock radiator, and from the passenger who was in the C6, it seems he's not the best shifter. Supposedly this was the guys first race in the car vs the C6. He did just get the car together, and is still dialing in the tune as he said it was running "pig fat" that night he ran the C6. He is data logging the whole thing though, not dyno tune has been done.
Old May 13, 2008 | 10:47 PM
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if he's breaking them loose with the 3.55 gears on drag radials, he has more power than you think.

The KB cobra in town has nitto 555 drag radials and 4.11s and DEAD HOOKS, no spin at all, not even a little chirp.
Old May 13, 2008 | 11:46 PM
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No i don't really have any other info on the car. The kid wouldn't say a whole lot when i talked to him at Hall's.
Old May 14, 2008 | 05:05 AM
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Cobras are dyno queens from everything we've seen around here. They make 550-600rwhp to run mid 11's.

Me on low boost vs a cobra.

http://media.putfile.com/skinnies-8lb-vs-520rwhp-cobra
Old May 14, 2008 | 06:58 AM
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The KB cobra in town has nitto 555 drag radials and 4.11s and DEAD HOOKS, no spin at all, not even a little chirp.
Thats almost unbelievable. I'm not calling bull**** but I would like to know what he did to his suspension/car to make it hook on Nittos with 4.11's and a Kenny Bell supercharger.

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Old May 14, 2008 | 09:54 AM
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Thats almost unbelievable. I'm not calling bull**** but I would like to know what he did to his suspension/car to make it hook on Nittos with 4.11's and a Kenny Bell supercharger.
Not entirely sure, but i think he has like air bags or something in it. I know the suspension isnt stock, as ive heard him talk about it, but it is still IRS.
Old May 14, 2008 | 05:52 PM
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Keep in mind that we now know it is NOT a Kenny Bell supercharger, but in fact a whipple throwing down 19#'s of boost.
Old May 14, 2008 | 06:02 PM
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well, get some race gas, add some timing, throw on slicks, and go for it and let us know how she goes
Old May 14, 2008 | 06:03 PM
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he is going to need to make a good 75rwhp more then you to walk ya.....he may jump out on you for the first few seconds...then you should suck him up

...Im quite familiar with FI modmotor stangs..as I work on them on the weekends..I think it will be a good run,but I dont see him being able to hold you off



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