I know that anything with an engine can be made to be fast. Peroid. The point that I am trying to argue is that some cars are VERY unreliable if they run just 12's, and the truely fast FWD *** cars aren't true street cars. I have owned four turbo charged Japanese cars. All were Mitsubishi Starions. I broke EVERY trannsimission and EVERY engine in EVERY one of them! I am somewhat familiar with turbo charged cars. I worked at a Mitsubishi dealer also for a while, so I am very familiar with all the turbo charged Mitsu's. They can be made to be pretty quick. But not Fast and Reliable. I work at an Acura dealer now. The RSX is a cool little car. Very fun to drive, pretty quick, great throttle response, very well set up gearing and power band. 2 liter 4-cylinder with 200 HP. Fun car. Have you seen the tranny on this car? Its TINY! They brake constantly if abused. Just like the trannys on just about every other HONDA. Even the NSX has a small tranny. Don't get me wrong. The NSX is the SH*T! It's my favorite Japanese car, but you can't get it much faster than it is and keep it reliable. I work with these cars everyday. I am sure of this. Not just guessing. They can't handle alot of power, or any torque for that matter. Nitrous DESTROYS Honda/Acura motors and trannys! These drivetrains were never designed to see much torque. Take a look at a T56 next to an NSX six speed tranny. Keep in mind that the NSX tranny is a transaxle, meaning it has a trannsmission inside that case, as well as a differential. The T56 is massive in comparison. And STRONGER.

WHEN JAPAN PUTS OUTS A RWD CAR WITH A V-8, AND A STRONG DRIVELINE, THEN, AND ONLY THEN WILL I AGREE THAT THEY HAVE THE MOST PERFORMANCE POTENTIAL!

I have spoken, FACE TO FACE, with a Honda engineer. Honda will NEVER produce an 8 cylinder engine, for use in a production road car.

 

First of all I stated if he WANTED to he could drive the car on the street on pump gas. You ever hear of a FAST system (change the program to run pump gas)? You ever hear of a turning the boost down on a turbo?

You are right I am a liar. I made the car up using Photoshop.

So you are saying any car that runs slicks at the track is not considered a street car? You ever hear of people changing out their slicks to street tires to drive them on the street?

BTW what does you car run in the 1/4?

My point was never made to argue with anyone but to state that there are fast imports out there.

 

since when was an engineer in charge of deciding what they will build. lmao........engineers just do what the company tells them.

 

That is not the point.. because i can do practically anything... you can take a F1 can adn you COULD drive it on the street... you COULD do many things...

I've never said you made up that car... all i said is that you posted those times are with slick and on race gas with full boost... With race gas, slicks and full boost, there are Many more v8s in that range than that civic... what i tried to say.. take that car to the track with pump gas and normal radial rain tires...

You could drive that car on the street.. would it be comfortable?? or would it be a pain.. A real suffering...

Lots of road noise, yada yada yada... come on IDOx... you are trying to defend that type of car because he is your friend, but the reality is that its an extreme measure to have what you can have on a "streetable" v8, be it boost, n2o or N/A.

Another thing.. I am familiar that GM cars have programable computers and that the aftermarket provides to take advantage of it, w/o ALTERING or ADDING ANYTHING IN THE PCM... where as honda has the hondata and you have to send the PCM to be modified...

Take care.

 

I wasn't saying that it isn't possible for your buddy to run his car on the street on pump gas. My point is that it isn't possible for it to run on the street with pump gas, and drive itself to the track, and run 9's with out swapping tires, fuel, and adjusting boost.

Yes, I have heard of F.A.S.T. I run gen 7 DFI in my daily driver, I am very familiar with the tuneability of these systems.

I am very aware of the fact that the engineers do as they are told. I was simply stating the fact that Honda will never put a V-8 in street cars. I don't care as to why, I was just letting you guys in on my source of information. I think a Honda engineer is a pretty good source of Honda information.

 

Geez, you don't quit do you? Different strokes for different folks. What is comfortable to you may not be to someone else, and vice versa. As far as pump gas versus race gas, yes you can take your car to the track on pump gas, so can a turbo import. I think he has the advantage there tho, cause to switch to race gas, he can up the boost as well. All you can do is add timing. Plus, you said you won't go to the track, so you can't count your car, cause it hasn't done SQUAT. COULD it? It COULD blow up tommorow, or get hit by a bus, god willing. But if you HAVEN"T and he HAS, then the civic is FASTER and QUICKER than your car. Also, the radial rain tire remark shows your ignorance. If you go to the track ever, and its on radials, thats your perogative. Most people go to the track to see how fast their car is, and that means you need traction.

Modifying the PCM? I can tell you from experience (owned 3 hondata systems, how many have you?) that Honda has a MUCH better modifying platform for the ECU. Hondata uses a MAP based setup and with the hondata you can use a 3 bar map sensor and up to 28lbs of boost. You do NOT need to send the PCM off to change, if you have a notebook, which you would need if you have a Camaro and want to use LT1edit or tunercat. Don't compare that to a hypertech, if you do, you are simply a moron.

Here is my take on this - if you want a fast drag car, for the money, go mustang. If you want a fast car on the street - do WHATEVER THE **** MAKES YOU HAPPY.

That crx is a bit excessive. BUT, I do have many friends with less than 10K invested in their setups making 350+ RWHP on 93 octane. (Oh ****, there ya go, you run on 91, another excuse for you). You'll need a ****load of power at 3700lbs to keep up with a 2400lb car with 350. These cars keep up with Gixxers (750s) from a roll. DAILY driven, FULL interior. They idle fine, have no cooling issues, AND if they WANT to run race gas, they can, and DO. Then they up the boost and smoke a car like yours on the interstate. Oh yeah, you'd win from a stop, but wait! That would be a drag race, and you don't go to the track, so you might as well go from a roll.

Here's a kicker for ya to. The majority of these cars do it with STOCK HEADS and STOCK CAMS.

 

Wow... pretty macho insulting... I have not done that so lets keep the resepct.

93 - 91 same ****... still sell you camaro or lt1 and buy a honda... why did you chose the v8 then???

Wether i have done or not is IRRELEVANT.. because I have beaten 10sec cars in all THEIR RACE TRIM AND RACE GAS AND GOBS OF BOOST bla bla bla.... Because i dont have a slip does it mean i cant perform?? how about a dyno sheet? WHat is your point? that he went to the track and I didn't??? Cool good for him...

But you are right.. different strokes for different folks,but dont come on here implying many things and loose perspective of the reality which is the extremeness of EACH SETUP and the advantages of the bigger engine. Period...

I have played with the hondata system every once in a while and yes with boost its a lot better suited than the GM ECM, other than that i prefer the GM ECM...

You say a BIT excessive???

there is nothing there you can really enjoy on the street in a day to day basis.

To this day.. I am just dying to see one of this cute hondas beat my a$$ off from a roll which is where i like to race... till 160.

Raced them.. and oops.. nothing happened, and i still have A/C, powersteering and the comforts not a swiss cheese they call a car.... as a matter of fact.. i have never seen them run 150+ mph on the track here, it may be the temp.. that its always ~95++ at the track and sometimes way over 100F and/or the humidity.. .but when the masters here have gone to the US they usually bring a trophy home... That said i still haven't found a civic or a similar car that in its RACE trim will spank me pretty good.. must be because they cant drive it around...

As i said.. we all can make pretty fast setups with lighter chassis and stuff... will they be real cars?? hell no.. drag machines.. of course... but as for an all out drag machine.. they are still unimpressive.. period.. im done with this topic...

Another note.. i've raced MANY supposed 350whp civics... many 473rwhp s2000... many 400whp turbo+n2o civics.. and they are all a joke.. you were saying power to weight??? i had only 607 at the time... im not here to gloat or anything but dont put off the reality THEY ARE STILL KITES, and be careful if you drive one on the street with that much power.. you can run sideways you know.. if you got spanked by a civic with a turbo. go buy one...

 

Yeah he is my friend. All I am saying is that his car is fast. Regardless of what anyone thinks. 9.8's is fast.

I am not argueing with you on the points you have made. All I am saying is no matter how fast someones car is someone will always have something bad to say.

Yeah my car has made over 700 rwhp. Based on what I have done with stock ported heads I am pretty impressed with my car but I have yet to prove anything at the track because of issues that have plagued me.

Running in the 9's take more than just hp. You need suspension, etc...and alot of time in the car.

People will like different cars and that is cool with me. I have been on this board for too long to argue things like this.

I am through.

 

IT is fast!!!! NO ONE IS DENYING IT!!! someone simply has NO BRAINS to see what is the point of all this crap.

but what do you appreciate more... Mr. Universe that used steroids or a mr. olympia that did it naturally???

 

You would be surprised how much stuff is kept from an engineer. It is pretty funny because the public usually finds stuff out first.

 

Don't worry I have plenty of brains

I just get frustrated when I feel people are attacking me.

Sorry I respect my package to deal with roids...

 

Didn't mean you...

 

Cool

I thought I may had been getting slow.


Highlander

When is your car going to be ready?




To everyone

Let's get back to building fast f-bodies. I think this whole post got out of hand. And yes I am guilty also........

 

Highlander, I don't know if they were running pump gas or not. It is irrevelant to me. Most of they guys that I know with 350s that are doing anything, run track fuel for added safety. That goes for any motor. You reach a point where you cannot run pump gas reliably. I have had bad batches of 93 before and if you are on the ragged edge of detonation, that could lead to disaster.

I have heard of tremendous amounts of hp from pump gas, but imo it does determine a car's image as a streetcar, unless the car can not be made to run on 93 octane or less(tune change, timing reduction, etc.) Simple changes like that.

 

This is funny. . .

On the surface, I feel insulted. But deep down, I know it's true.

Mike