Its funny, I hear about these V-8 dominating imports, I NEVER have seen one in real life. ???

I guess they don't exist here in San Antonio.

Has anyone besides a Honda fan ever seen one?

 

I have seen a few good ones that will spank a stock v8 lt1s and ls1s too... but they are always modded with some chunks or tricks... And i have seen a few VERY good ones running in the low low 10s@139mph... almost 140... a galant VR4... he runs 32-35psi boost and 150 shot n2o which yields him around 75-100rwhp...

I cant deny that sometimes they are impressive but still when you see the level of extreme i still see why i like so much my car.. and my v8.. because i can still keep the pump gas and a/c.

There are a few "impressive" supras running stock bottom ends with a t88 bolted on and are trapping 135mph @10.5 w/o much trouble and they also claim with very little $ involved besides the car.. hmm...

 

There was a guy that had a newer supra over here, he bought it with a new clutch and with out to many mods done to it. When he got it and turned up the boost with the stock all most every thing he wasted the clutch with in about 4 drag races.
So he changed the clucth, more stuff broke he barrowed money from people to fix it. More stuff broke he barrowed more money from more people to fix it and he ended up selling it after the people he oed got together and thretened to break off his thumbs. I know he lost tons of money on that thing.
Does any one here realy care about supra's?
That's the best thing about B-serries engines when you mod them hard, they break and go to the junk yard.
I use to see fast cars over here all the time that could take some moded V8's but NONE of them were hondas.
You can allways tell the hondas with there striped insides, no dash hard plastic seats, no carpet, no trimings you know what I mean. They look like crap on the inside, loud, I can't imagine driving them daily, it would suck to have to sit and drive it for more than an hour and they are still slow and lose to every other real car (and that's sad seeing that there are all most no chevy or ford V8's over here, also I have never seen a V8 race over here).
I guess those hondas that domanite V8's arn't over here in japan eather.
I could make an 800hp supra engine powered Al frame go cart that weighs 650lb's with me and the engine, put a "Honda" and "R" stickers and some pannels that liken it to a hatch honda and it could be one of those honda that V8's could never touch.
I dont think you get the most power and speed for your money when useing a honda plat form.

 

ROFL that guy lives in my town. It's amazing the ignorance you see in the import crowd.

PS: I've seen 9 second Hondas, and they resemble a street car in the same way that an orange resembles a tomato. It's kinda cute to see a little FWD car run those numbers, but that's an all-out racecar and would be impractical at best on the street. Those kids take out everything that can be unbolted, and then go after the car with a holesaw. I sure as hell wouldn't want to go 150mph in whats left of that car

 

They make the cars look like cheese from the drilling of holes!! jajajaja

Anyways the reality is that supras to EAT UP $ as most every race car.. my car has eaten up a lot of money lately and I think im done for now since the curve of price/HP is EXPONENTIAL!! jeje.

 

Remember FWD cars wll trap higher than RWD cars will. The manual transmission on Hondas are garbage.

I am a little confused about your comments regarding the 20K figure. I hope you are not referring to my friend lieing to me since I have known him for a long time. He knows alot of things and also knows the ins and outs for making those cars fast. Alot of the parts that he has on his car are used.

 

Oh yeah and for all the doubters

http://www.hometown.aol.com/sxebrian/xxxracing.html

 

2330lbs with driver!! damn what a kite!!!!

That is a true street car...

I bet that he doesn't even remember what he put into his car... He quoted you the 20k figure just for saying a number or an estimate. Where does it say that he used ALL ARP Rod bolts? gaskets? and all the miscelaneous things? that is where the real money pit goes... and I know you know that, hey you have a pretty hefty and fast car.. why didn't you chose a honda? for the same reasons i didn't either i bet. That car might be faster than mine, it will surely trap a lot more than mine... but can it be driven daily like mine? can it be stuck in a 2 hr traffic jam with the A/C on no problems??? i sure hope so.. There are camaros faster than that thing in that same track trim which is my point... we have to compare it w/o disadvantages...

He doesn't post all mods...

what about driveshaft... what about chassis work? what about all that is needed to hold the power to the ground...

Tires?

The reality is that it doesn't resemble a real life car...

Im going to put it this way.. how about I get my engine and I put it inside a 240Z '77???

I bet it will trap a lot faster than that one WITH PUMP GAS!!! 93 octane.

The reality is that they are not comparable and they will not compete in the same class in any competition... I wouldn't want to see that car at 152mph accelerating like a rocket in the freeway and taking a simple curve or something...

My point is... its a car that is way over its intended design.. when gm designed the camaro they designed it to be a true drag car.. Its not the same purpose and certeinly his car trapping faster than mine doesn't make it a better engine, nor a better platform, nor a better car, because my judgement of how a car is better than other is different than yours perhaps.

 

Like I said his car is a lightweight car. Yeah he can drive it on the street and yeah it has awesome power to weight ratio.

The reason I chose a Camaro is because I am a GM guy. I am not into the fart cans. I just respect any car that is fast. (import or domestic).

The only reason I posted the above is because everyone always thinks imports are slow and always love talking crap about stuff they do not know (not referring to you).

The fact is that there are fast imports but overall there are alot more faster domestics.

 

Yes there are fast imports.. there are slow imports.. there are slow exotics and there are fast exotics...

Ok.. let me rephrase the question... can he drive it on street trim and still trap 152mph I dont think so...

I do respect fast cars .... but i respect more ALL around cars that are fast.. not specific purpose built machines that are only out one day a month to the track on a trailer and back home.

In that type of trim... i think its a "slow" car compared to a mustang or camaro in that RACE LEVEL TRIM... there are cars trapping deep 8s@160+mph. Be it, they are not pump gas anymore

I guess what im trying to say is... the day Honda or any other manufacturer makes a true affordable v8, like GM does, that is big in cubic inches then I will start respecting the cars and platforms because they will offer less EXTREEMES to do the same.

 

First off, I'd like to see that car at the gas station using 93 octane "street car gas".

Second, I'd like to see him drive that car on the street with those non DOT approved RACE tires.

Third, Hey, no front license plate. I take that back, we'll let this one slide, even though my car has a front license plate, and I have TWO intercoolers.

Fourth, if its a street car, then were is his registration and inspection sticker?

My point being, THIS IS NOT A STREET CAR, AND IT ONLY RUNS 9'S!! THERE ARE DAILY DRIVEN BIG BLOCK HOT RODS THAT RUN 8'S WITH PUMP GAS, FULL STREET TRIM, AND DOT APPROVED TIRES.

 

I have a few cars.Three american v8s and one mits engine 92 talon awd.Before this year I never had a import engine car.
I have always had muscle cars and even had some engine swapped vegas and monzas.

American cars are generally pretty reliable.They can take pretty big power without complaining.Huge power usually reguires the normal things..forged pistons,rods,etc.Huge meaning around 500 hp or over.They can usually tolerate things like 100 shots of spray very well and of course you can go thru normal things like rear ends or trannies or clutches in them too.All cars have pluses and minuses.My ls1 has crappy mickey mouse rear end.Weak factory clutch in my 99.My lt1 auto tranny isn't known for being very tough and it too has a crappy weak small rear end.

My 80 ta seems pretty tough.Put a turbo 400 in it for pretty cheap and it already has a decent 10 bolt 8.5 rear end.
My cars are all fairly stock with minor mods mostly.The 80 can hit a high thirteen on street tires,the 99 can hit a mid thirteen on street tires the 96 vert can hit a high 13 also on street tires.The talon hit a mid 14 on stock turbo with bit more psi.It could likely also do a high 13 on street tires with a launch on dry pavement the roads were wet and damp when made that mid 14 runl.

I am also at 1900 feet altitude so cars are slower up here.Not sure if turbo cars can compensate for the altitude hear different opnions on that.

So I keep hearing all this stuff about torque and hp and displacement but in the real world the talon seems to be able to make up some time of course from its killer usually around 2.0 launch on street tires.Guys that are good can usually knock off 1.8 with them all day on street tires.My v8s would of course be much faster with nittos or et steets,etc.Also the talon was run on street 91 octane.

Buddy has a hopped up fwd older subaru he has put quite a bit into .He was formerly a muscle car guy.He is constantly trying to beat any of my cars but so far they all kill him.He has I think around 300 hp at the wheels.And his car does only weight like 2400 pounds or something stupidly light but its not stripped at all just liight factory.Its an subaru xt 1986.

What kills him most everytime is is lack of any traction.On street tires normally he can't do better than a 2.65.From a roll my cars also seem to kill him but not quite as bad.The closest was the other day he ran some race gas and upped the boost.

I would think his car could be a mid thirteen for sure or better with traction.

He has gone thru one engine though so far and clutch.

So what does it all mean.Well any car with enough money or sometimes just ingenuity..eg v8 in a chevette swap or v8 in s10 swap.or. Imports can be made to run fast.Some are easier to make run fast the dsms are pretty good for the buck and if you have the right year like mine you get the much stronger factory engine and rear end.And awd is a good thing and so are turbos.Turbos make more power per cu inch than any other power adder except maybe nitrous.Superchargers can't touch turbo cars.
Turbo v8s or bigger are the ultimate power monsters with big block chevy cars putting out 1600 hp in the 80s and small block v8s putting out 1200 hp also.Every heard of gale banks??

And turbos can make some 4 bangers or 6 cylinders faster than v8s depending on how hard you want to push them and how strong your engine is.Boost doesn't usually kill motors..detonation does.So if you keep the engines from detonating you can run pretty high boost..big intercoolers ,alcohol injection ..these things help a lot.You can make decent race gas with toluene or xylene available at any paint store around here for reasonably cheap.

So I guess we need to respect any fast car.That doesn't mean I personally would buy a honda..never have liked them much.Just don't impress me much..looks styling.they are ok but the nsx is the only honda I really think looked great.
I would consider buying a twin turbo supra,new 350z,old twin turbo z.
I will say too though that once your import gets off warranty and older ,parts are very very expensive and sometimes very hard to get.I can still go to gm and buy some stuff for my 80 ta.And parts for my gms are pretty reasonable for most of it .Aftermarket parts can be high but they usually always are.

And again to be clear..a bigger turbo and smaller turbo do not make the same power at 6psi.The bigger turbo flows more air and makes way more power at 6psi than the smaller one.And turbos are pretty cheap.A 500wheel hp turbo for my talon was 800 US, a 680 hp turbo was like 800 US.I choose the 500 hp one as the bigger one is harder on trannies ,rear ends,etc.And might be a bit less drivable due to slower spool.efficiency maps,etc.
But the newest turbos use ball bearing technology and spin up very fast way less lag than the older tech turbos.I bought an older tech for now due to price but might trade up later.

I don't know what times my talon will run when get my new turbo on there.Guess easy mid 12s at 115 at least.It might be my fastest car for awhile.

I do plan on running an single or twin on my 99 ls1 in near future and plan on big block chevy with 6.71 blower in the 80.

There are other things to consider than pure speed.If you like the car great.If you don't great.
I have beat many imports with my v8s and my talon has beaten quite a few domestics.It goes both ways.
And remember when we are all in love with our v8s that the fastest bikes on the road are almost all japanese technology.Power to weight is still very important.

Anyway this guy with the honda is mostly full of crap in many areas.The import guys do tend to bs a lot and thats when I enjoy beating them the most.But some have very fast toys.A turbo car can be ten car lengths behind one day and even or ahead of you the next.Depends on fuel,boost,how far the guy wants to push his car,etc..

 

Hey you can add turbos to the v8s... there are some killer turbo v8s on this forum... making over 900rwhp... so does the S/C ones... there are a few hitting high 900s too... running 8s...

 

There are fast cars everywhere. I think that it is safe to say that more domestics in the 11s than imports, more in the 10s and so on. But what a lot of domestics fail to realize, is that there are fast imports. I have heard plenty of Mustang and Camaro guys say "it's just a 4 cylinder". That in itself is an ignorant comment.

As I mentioned before, the local RSX has full interior, drives to the track, does not change tires and runs high 11s. He is still working things out and will be much faster.

There is also a guy with a 90ish Talon/eclipse(don't remember) that is running 6s in the 1/8. He also has full interior and drives it to the track with no change in tires. I don't care who you are, 6s are fast for a car that drove there.

I watched a Supra dyno 535hp to the wheels on the stock shortblock. I hear of more that dyno more than that on the stock shortblock. That is impressive to me.

Their are a few more around here(imports) that are respectable and I am sure have cleaned a few domestic clocks. I wish more domestic owners would educate themselves a little before they make comments that reflect badly on the ones who actually have some sense and cars with hp.

Not that I haven't heard import guys talk about their superior hp/liter, but that is for my amusement imo.

 

Does that RSX run on pump gas??? Is the talone running on pump gas???

THe thing here is that cubic inches make a difference... I want them to make BIG engines so we can compare.. so they see that making a big engine is not arcaic as it seems...

there are fast go-karts... as a matter of fact.. my R/C car is very fast!! but i cant ride it... There are a few things to be considered and they want to go to the street as the ultimate street car.. they are NOT... they lack to much in cubic inches to be able to handle gobs of power on pump gas....
Imports wont get my upmost appreciation because when the sky is the limit and money is not an option i can always crank out 8000HP out of a dragster and i have never ever seen a 4 cylinder do that.

In the end.. the ecotecs are proving to be a better platform than the imports... i just hope there is more enthusiasm for the new ecotecs as there is hondas and we will see very fast street 4 cylinders./