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Old Aug 12, 2008 | 08:26 AM
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Ebay wastegate - I think I am forcing it open

Finally got around to finishing v3.0 of my hot side. It looks really good this time around, and runs/sounds better. Its still a log style though, just with much better logs and actually has some length to the primaries. Pics later.

So I switched to a 60mm ebay gate so I could give the racegate back to its rightful owner. Its rated at 12psi, and on the air compressor actually takes a bit more than that to open the valve more than just a hair.

I am only seeing 10psi - adjusting the MBC does nothing. Pulling the line from the intake does nothing. I cranked the adjustment screw all the way down and it seemed to spool a bit quicker, and maybe .5psi more, but not much.

Heres my thought...

60mm = 2.36ish inches
So area of the valve is @ 17.5 in^2
They say a bad log system is 2:1 backpressure - a good tube header setup on a turbo is 1:1. Seeing 10# of boost we will look at either option.

Assuming 1:1 - Best case - Thats 175# of force against the valve trying to push it open. Worse case its 350#..... I think I am just forcing it open. I am going to try to use a longer set screw in the top, or shim the hell out of the spring with washers.

I think I've got a lot of backpressure because of the little t70, or so I hope. I have no major leaks on the charge pipe, turbo still feels solid, exhaust after the turbo could be better, but its not horrible - sweet thunder muffler, Blow off valves are not leaking. Motor feels strong but with 8.5ish compression 10psi just doesn't cut it. I dont' think the turbo is out of steam, I have seen as high as 18psi with the other gate and a much worse log setup.

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Old Aug 12, 2008 | 01:31 PM
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have you torn the gate apart and checked for debris in it? I have an xo2 44mm wastegate from ebay, and it works great for me.
Old Aug 12, 2008 | 02:36 PM
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Run a smaller wastegate.

People run the big wastegates for lower boost on big turbos. Needing a 2.5" pipe to dump all the exhaust from hitting the GT42R so they can run 5 psi.
Old Aug 12, 2008 | 02:41 PM
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Gate is clean on the inside and functions smooth.

I think its too big for sure, but I am going to see what I can do to hold it closed longer. Hell I wonder if I could run this little setup without a gate. The turbo will max out lower than what I would percieve as a danger level.
Old Aug 12, 2008 | 04:22 PM
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Shimming the spring sounds like a good place to start.

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Old Aug 12, 2008 | 04:23 PM
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Boost controller?

Bleed the boost before it hits the valve. It might be enough to keep it closed until you want it opened.

EDIT: I see you have a MBC. You have tried to pull the line from the wastegate and run it full closed?

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Old Aug 13, 2008 | 07:36 AM
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Aye, no line on the gate and it still opens up about the same spot.... well I don't make any more boost rather. Its not an intake side leak, and my hotside is the best its ever been.
Old Aug 13, 2008 | 10:05 PM
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Grabbed a stage 8 bolt that was about twice as long and cranked it down just a few turns past the max on the old bolt and got a steady 13-14psi out of it with no boost controller. I think I will add my controller for the last 4-5psi and head to the dyno.

My air/fuel is about right, but I have no idea where my timing is.


Lesson learned.
Low boost = use big gate
higher boost = smaller gate
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