Has any one tuned their F.I application to run on E85 yet? Noticed some of the LS1 guys are running it and making some decent numbers.

 

Were at a 50/50 mix of pumgas/e85 now, dont have fuelpump capasity for 100% E85 yet.

 

i ran e85 on my turbo honda and loved it.

you will need ~30% more e85 at the same boost levels.
at the same boost levels you will make ~20% more power on e85 over gas.
we needed a few more degrees timing also.

it is the perfect fuel for a high powered street car.

a walbro pump can use e85 no problem, you can also use the stock lines without any problems (atleast on a honda)
the biggest problem is getting a big enough injector and a fuel system to keep up with the demand.

 

As for tuning, do stock o2 sensors works fine still?

 

no, you will need a wideband.
but you will need to tune with lambda

 

We are currenly in the process of putting a new motor in my GN and its going to be 100% E85. The guy thats doing my chip tuning (Eric Marshall from TurboTweak) has already ran it in his car and is seeing 25#of boost with no knock. You will need to go up on the fuel supply being delivered as stated plus this stuff is going to wash out ALL crud in the fuel system to be prepared.

 

I thought gasoline containing more than 25% ethanol can eat up some of our fuel lines in the older 90's cars.

I also would be concerned if it was a street car on having consistant gas stations that carried it. Especially if you were to go on a road trip. Once it is tuned on it, you had better plan on running it consistantly.

This may be speculation, but I have heard a few sources saying that they may be doing away with more ethanol in the fuel. It seems (even though you probably hear the opposite) that using ethanol is actually more expensive as a whole. Sure, it is cheeper gas, but by the time the corn is planted, harvested, taken to be refined, using energy to be refined, and then delivered to be implemented, it actually uses more fuel in the delivery, and farming equipment, and is more expensive as a whole than would save us 30 cents per gallon at the pump. There are a growing number of politicians who believe it will be going away in the not so distant future.

Again, thats just from different sources I have heard from, and is also my opinion. I am sure there are plenty who will argue otherwise, and they may even be the ones being more correct than I. Time will tell for sure, but I will rely on my garunteed premium 93 octane at most pumps around the US (or at least 92, or 91 if you live in Cali), and relying on my methanol injection to help out with the rest. I beat the snot out of my car this year, and I only went through about 7 gallons of methanol, which cost me a whopping total of about $17. Quite a bit cheeper than running race gas IMO.

 

The problem with Ethanol Politically is this, to win elections you need to win over the mid west farmers who grow corn, as they are heavily represented in Politics in these states. To say your against ethanol is like saying your against farmers, this will kill you in elections, primaries and so on. Also that little state they call Iowa that grows corn, plays a very big part in presidential elections with their caucus. You need to do well in Iowa if you want to do well in New Hampshire for their primary. So Politicians who tend to want to win have to embrace ethanol. The down side we see is, using ethanol in fuel jumps the price of corn. No biggie, how much corn do we really eat? Well not that simple, the higher prices translate in to other industries as Corn, is as you know feed for animals. This hurts those live stock farmers who depend on corn to feed their animals. It's defiantly a weird situation. But back to LT1s, I was figuring some one in the midwest would know as from what I under stand is more available. In Houston, theres very few places to stock up on E85 making it not so much of a choice I see locally.

 

blah, blah, blah

farmers are being paid to NOT GROW ANYTHING right now. why not just have them grow corn instead? Or heck, any sugar or starch based plant can be used to make Ethanol.

 

and you mentioned taking away from what cattle feed on? read this: http://www.foodandfuelamerica.com/20...elletized.html

 

a little food for thought Most places are now adding 10 Percent ethanol to all pump fuel as it is.

 

It might depend on where you are at. That might be that way in Oklahoma, but I know in NJ, PA, OH, and IN, (ones I travel through on a regular basis) its hard to find gas stations that add methanol to the gas. The only 2 places I ever found that did have ethanol in the gas in Indiana where I am from has since stopped putting it in.

 

I dont doubt you at all, ive heard that they dont have to announce it that they add it but a little more to throw up in the air.

Washington --- States no longer will have to add corn-based ethanol or MTBE to gasoline to fight pollution --- a requirement that costs as much as 8 cents a gallon --- under rules announced Wednesday by the Environmental Protection Agency.

They eliminate a mandate from the 1990 Clean Air Act that gasoline used in metropolitan areas with the worst smog contain 2 percent oxygen by weight. The law did not say which oxygenate must be used, but most refiners use either ethanol or methyl tertiary butyl ether, known as MTBE.

The rules announced Wednesday put in place a part of the energy bill the president signed in August that did away with the 2 percent oxygenate requirement.

"The federal requirement has forced California's refiners to use an oxygenate even though they can make cleaner-burning gasoline without MTBE or ethanol," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.). "The announcement means that California refiners finally will be allowed to make gasoline that is cleaner burning than what they are making today."

The rules will take effect nationwide on May 6 and in California 60 days after their publication in the federal register.

Parts of more than a dozen states fall under the 2 percent oxygenate requirement, according to the EPA, while others use oxygenates voluntarily. Nationwide, about 30 percent of gasoline contains oxygenates.

The states that had been required to use oxygenates in certain areas are: Georgia, California, Connecticut, New York, Delaware, Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Maryland, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia, Wisconsin and the District of Columbia.

 

Hell ya, could you imagine getting paid to not show up for work.. I say make all the set aside land in to corn crops to lower the price of E85 at the pump... But that might make some people who don't have to work for their money mad...