650-700rwhp...who's there??
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Well, it'd be damn interesting to see a "comaprison test" in one of the big car mags between an all out F-body and the megabuck supercars. It won't happen though. Too jarring to their world view!
I concur that with the right suspension and brake mods along with the kind of motor being talked about here the "archaic" solid axle, front engine, pushrod V-8 Chevy/Pontiac would not look too bad in comparison to the $0.5 million exotic supercar. The mods, done to the highest professional standard wouldn't be more than $30-40K. So including buying a nice used car to start with the whole thing would be <$50K. ~10% at most of the cost of the "supercar".
Mine's not too far, in fact
! The motor is there and with the planned brake, suspension, and wheel and tire upgrades it would be in the ballpark. Seats (sorta) for four as well.
It's a real pity that the 4th gen is no more. GM sucksdick
Rich Krause
I concur that with the right suspension and brake mods along with the kind of motor being talked about here the "archaic" solid axle, front engine, pushrod V-8 Chevy/Pontiac would not look too bad in comparison to the $0.5 million exotic supercar. The mods, done to the highest professional standard wouldn't be more than $30-40K. So including buying a nice used car to start with the whole thing would be <$50K. ~10% at most of the cost of the "supercar".
Mine's not too far, in fact
! The motor is there and with the planned brake, suspension, and wheel and tire upgrades it would be in the ballpark. Seats (sorta) for four as well. It's a real pity that the 4th gen is no more. GM sucksdick
Rich Krause
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From: DFW
Originally posted by rskrause
Well, it'd be damn interesting to see a "comaprison test" in one of the big car mags between an all out F-body and the megabuck supercars. It won't happen though. Too jarring to their world view!
I concur that with the right suspension and brake mods along with the kind of motor being talked about here the "archaic" solid axle, front engine, pushrod V-8 Chevy/Pontiac would not look too bad in comparison to the $0.5 million exotic supercar. The mods, done to the highest professional standard wouldn't be more than $30-40K. So including buying a nice used car to start with the whole thing would be <$50K. ~10% at most of the cost of the "supercar".
Mine's not too far, in fact! The motor is there and with the planned brake, suspension, and wheel and tire upgrades it would be in the ballpark. Seats (sorta) for four as well.
It's a real pity that the 4th gen is no more. GM sucksdick
Rich Krause
Well, it'd be damn interesting to see a "comaprison test" in one of the big car mags between an all out F-body and the megabuck supercars. It won't happen though. Too jarring to their world view!
I concur that with the right suspension and brake mods along with the kind of motor being talked about here the "archaic" solid axle, front engine, pushrod V-8 Chevy/Pontiac would not look too bad in comparison to the $0.5 million exotic supercar. The mods, done to the highest professional standard wouldn't be more than $30-40K. So including buying a nice used car to start with the whole thing would be <$50K. ~10% at most of the cost of the "supercar".
Mine's not too far, in fact
! The motor is there and with the planned brake, suspension, and wheel and tire upgrades it would be in the ballpark. Seats (sorta) for four as well. It's a real pity that the 4th gen is no more. GM sucksdick
Rich Krause
I want to 
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From: Houston, TX
Originally posted by 97TA-WS6-Con
Where to begin
I started with 42 injectors. Not big enough. I got 55# ones. Whoops, Wrong "style", got 50#'s.
Motor I bought came with a new RPS Turbo clutch. It broke. - pucks came off - got another one. It slipped. Finally did what I should have done in the beginning and go a Mcleod. Clutch has been re&re four times now. Five if you include the fact I just pulled the motor on Sunday.
Had a rear main seal / rear oil pan leak. Did not address it for 15 months. Eventually caused the Macleod to get oil soaked. Needed a rebuild $300 plus shipping both ways.
Struggled with LT1 Edit for OBD2. Found the injectors went balistic. Apparantly OBD can only support about 36# injectors. went to OBD1. Finally decided to do what I should have done at the start and get a FAST. Now probably need 72# injectors.
Got a Walbro Intank 340W pump cause loosing fuel pressure. Cost money to get someone to change it. STILL not enough pump, going to a Racetronic Dual Intank.
Over filled the ATI blower - long story. Caused the seals to leak. Had to send it to ATI for rebuild. (Hopefully not to expensve)
Went through three belts trying to get the pulleys aligned - $75 each (In fact running on an 11 rib right now as it is).
There are lots of others but I will just embarass myself further.
Bottom line. I THOUGHT I had done all the research before starting ths project. Though I did not think I was taking the cheap route I certainly should have erred on the side of "spend more money to get it perfect the first time". I also had NO previous experience and no matter how much research, experience is everything. I also was too scared to do most of the work myself and I thus had a lot of labour cost even though many friends have helped me as well.
In hindsight, the motor and blower were a lot more powerful combination then I expected.
However, I have chosen to have the motor refreashed and a bunch of other things done to get it right once and for all and I have in fact taken the whole car apart myself over the last three weeks. the ENTIRE suspension, gas tank and the motor was pulled on Sunday with some help.
Of course I'm scared to death about putting it all back together. However, I will have the respect of my peers, the pride of having done it myself and a lower line of credit balance then otherwise)
Would I do this again? NO (ie I will not do this second time)
Do I regret doing it? Yes and No (see next questoin)
What would I do differently or what would I advise someone in MY situation to do if they asked?
Put it on a truck, send it to Agostino Racing with a blank cheque and a rwhp objective. Period.
Where to begin
I started with 42 injectors. Not big enough. I got 55# ones. Whoops, Wrong "style", got 50#'s.
Motor I bought came with a new RPS Turbo clutch. It broke. - pucks came off - got another one. It slipped. Finally did what I should have done in the beginning and go a Mcleod. Clutch has been re&re four times now. Five if you include the fact I just pulled the motor on Sunday.
Had a rear main seal / rear oil pan leak. Did not address it for 15 months. Eventually caused the Macleod to get oil soaked. Needed a rebuild $300 plus shipping both ways.
Struggled with LT1 Edit for OBD2. Found the injectors went balistic. Apparantly OBD can only support about 36# injectors. went to OBD1. Finally decided to do what I should have done at the start and get a FAST. Now probably need 72# injectors.
Got a Walbro Intank 340W pump cause loosing fuel pressure. Cost money to get someone to change it. STILL not enough pump, going to a Racetronic Dual Intank.
Over filled the ATI blower - long story. Caused the seals to leak. Had to send it to ATI for rebuild. (Hopefully not to expensve)
Went through three belts trying to get the pulleys aligned - $75 each (In fact running on an 11 rib right now as it is).
There are lots of others but I will just embarass myself further.
Bottom line. I THOUGHT I had done all the research before starting ths project. Though I did not think I was taking the cheap route I certainly should have erred on the side of "spend more money to get it perfect the first time". I also had NO previous experience and no matter how much research, experience is everything. I also was too scared to do most of the work myself and I thus had a lot of labour cost even though many friends have helped me as well.
In hindsight, the motor and blower were a lot more powerful combination then I expected.
However, I have chosen to have the motor refreashed and a bunch of other things done to get it right once and for all and I have in fact taken the whole car apart myself over the last three weeks. the ENTIRE suspension, gas tank and the motor was pulled on Sunday with some help.
Of course I'm scared to death about putting it all back together. However, I will have the respect of my peers, the pride of having done it myself and a lower line of credit balance then otherwise)
Would I do this again? NO (ie I will not do this second time)
Do I regret doing it? Yes and No (see next questoin)
What would I do differently or what would I advise someone in MY situation to do if they asked?
Put it on a truck, send it to Agostino Racing with a blank cheque and a rwhp objective. Period.
Ryan
the addiction.........
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High HP blown car are never come cheap. So far, I have not made any bad mistake yet, because I have asked alot of questions and helped out from forum members. And I have clear goal where I want to be. So far, I have spent about $15k into the car that without any bad mistake yet. For those who has spent over $20K I believe it.
Bruce
93LT1 Conv w/ZF6
Blown D1-SC/N2O
ARE built 383ci/Stage II
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Bruce
93LT1 Conv w/ZF6
Blown D1-SC/N2O
ARE built 383ci/Stage II
[IMG] http://www.burtronics.com/myvette/bv1.jpg[/IMG]
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Posts: 705
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First of all, I am only at around 525 rwhp, this is all I need for now.
I have probably sunk around 12K into my car, that is just for parts alone, no labor. The supercharger and fuel system accounts for at least half of that amount.
I have made some small mistakes also, but it comes with the territory.
Spent $450 bucks for 24 pound injectors from TPIS, then a few years later, $400 for the 42 pounders. I purchased the injectors from Jack of Muscle Motors. I gave him $400 cash and he gave me no receipt. Fortunately, those injectors have been kick butt.
How about the jet chip, spent $230 on that, it is no use now and worth nothing.
I had the hypertech programmer, but was able to resell that.
I had the jacobs ignition, it was more expensive than MSD and it sucked, couldn't handle the blower.
I had the ATI 2 core intercooler, it was terrible. I was able to get rid of that for a measly $200 bucks.
I had the edelbrock shorties, they are now sitting my garage.
The parts I am most proud of & would recommend:
ATI supercharger & twin intercoolers
Fuel system, from tank to injectors
FLP headers
MSD ignition
Engine internal parts: hot cam kit, h-beam connecting rods, TRW pistons
Wolfe 6-pt roll bar
The parts I still need to go racing:
Moser 12-bolt...........$2500
Wheels and tires......$2000
helmet......................$300
5 pt harness.............$200
Well, I am not too far away.
I have probably sunk around 12K into my car, that is just for parts alone, no labor. The supercharger and fuel system accounts for at least half of that amount.
I have made some small mistakes also, but it comes with the territory.
Spent $450 bucks for 24 pound injectors from TPIS, then a few years later, $400 for the 42 pounders. I purchased the injectors from Jack of Muscle Motors. I gave him $400 cash and he gave me no receipt. Fortunately, those injectors have been kick butt.
How about the jet chip, spent $230 on that, it is no use now and worth nothing.
I had the hypertech programmer, but was able to resell that.
I had the jacobs ignition, it was more expensive than MSD and it sucked, couldn't handle the blower.
I had the ATI 2 core intercooler, it was terrible. I was able to get rid of that for a measly $200 bucks.
I had the edelbrock shorties, they are now sitting my garage.
The parts I am most proud of & would recommend:
ATI supercharger & twin intercoolers
Fuel system, from tank to injectors
FLP headers
MSD ignition
Engine internal parts: hot cam kit, h-beam connecting rods, TRW pistons
Wolfe 6-pt roll bar
The parts I still need to go racing:
Moser 12-bolt...........$2500
Wheels and tires......$2000
helmet......................$300
5 pt harness.............$200
Well, I am not too far away.
Last edited by EDS Z28; Nov 9, 2002 at 01:10 PM.
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Originally posted by EDS Z28
First of all, I am only at around 525 rwhp, this is all I need for now.
I have probably sunk around 12K into my car, that is just for parts alone, no labor. The supercharger and fuel system accounts for at least half of that amount.
I have made some small mistakes also, but it comes with the territory.
Spent $450 bucks for 24 pound injectors from TPIS, then a few years later, $400 for the 42 pounders. I purchased the injectors from Jack of Muscle Motors. I gave him $400 cash and he gave me no receipt. Fortunately, those injectors have been kick butt.
How about the jet chip, spent $230 on that, it is no use now and worth nothing.
I had the hypertech programmer, but was able to resell that.
I had the jacobs ignition, it was more expensive than MSD and it sucked, couldn't handle the blower.
I had the ATI 2 core intercooler, it was terrible. I was able to get rid of that for a measly $200 bucks.
I had the edelbrock shorties, they are now sitting my garage.
The parts I am most proud of & would recommend:
ATI supercharger & twin intercoolers
Fuel system, from tank to injectors
FLP headers
MSD ignition
Engine internal parts: hot cam kit, h-beam connecting rods, TRW pistons
Wolfe 6-pt roll bar
The parts I still need to go racing:
Moser 12-bolt...........$2500
Wheels and tires......$2000
helmet......................$300
5 pt harness.............$200
Well, I am not too far away.
First of all, I am only at around 525 rwhp, this is all I need for now.
I have probably sunk around 12K into my car, that is just for parts alone, no labor. The supercharger and fuel system accounts for at least half of that amount.
I have made some small mistakes also, but it comes with the territory.
Spent $450 bucks for 24 pound injectors from TPIS, then a few years later, $400 for the 42 pounders. I purchased the injectors from Jack of Muscle Motors. I gave him $400 cash and he gave me no receipt. Fortunately, those injectors have been kick butt.
How about the jet chip, spent $230 on that, it is no use now and worth nothing.
I had the hypertech programmer, but was able to resell that.
I had the jacobs ignition, it was more expensive than MSD and it sucked, couldn't handle the blower.
I had the ATI 2 core intercooler, it was terrible. I was able to get rid of that for a measly $200 bucks.
I had the edelbrock shorties, they are now sitting my garage.
The parts I am most proud of & would recommend:
ATI supercharger & twin intercoolers
Fuel system, from tank to injectors
FLP headers
MSD ignition
Engine internal parts: hot cam kit, h-beam connecting rods, TRW pistons
Wolfe 6-pt roll bar
The parts I still need to go racing:
Moser 12-bolt...........$2500
Wheels and tires......$2000
helmet......................$300
5 pt harness.............$200
Well, I am not too far away.
Rich Krause
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From: Waukesha, WI USA
I got to thank you guys for keeping on responding to this. i've set a little budget for this project between what all of you guys have mentioned. I've been doing searches and just looking at other's combo's and will probably mimic one of those. Thank god for these message boards cause i'm sure most of us would have spent 3 times as much as we have already 
Chris
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Originally posted by Diggla
best bet is try http://www.lingenfelter.com/packagesfls1.asp, plus its under warranty.
best bet is try http://www.lingenfelter.com/packagesfls1.asp, plus its under warranty.
Rich Krause
