When do you stop reducing track times by reducing weight?
Re: When do you stop reducing track times by reducing weight?
Originally Posted by Injuneer
To answer the original queston, you never stop increasing accelaration by removing weight..... the governing principle is Force (at the rear wheels) = M*** (the weight of the car - sort of) X Acceleration[/b]. Rewriting that expression, you get:
A = F / M
A = F / M
Re: When do you stop reducing track times by reducing weight?
Originally Posted by FIREHAWK #7
this comes straight out of Newtons 2nd law of Motion....gotta love Physics.. 

Acceleration = Force divided by Mass
I almost asked why isn't that Acceleration = Power divided by Mass, but I didn't want to go there.
Re: When do you stop reducing track times by reducing weight?
I will continue to pull out the weight to get a 'record'.
Once that has been done I bet I can put back some of the weight (ie carpet and door panels along with all other panels) and still be at a decent LOW weight by removing other unnessary weight, ie cutting some metal out.
there is a tone hidden behind the plastic parts in a car.
I sometimes get beat up b/c I do not run with interior, that it is not a street car, but you know what....it's mine and I enjoy running mid 12s with just headers/tune/suspension.
Once that has been done I bet I can put back some of the weight (ie carpet and door panels along with all other panels) and still be at a decent LOW weight by removing other unnessary weight, ie cutting some metal out.
there is a tone hidden behind the plastic parts in a car.
I sometimes get beat up b/c I do not run with interior, that it is not a street car, but you know what....it's mine and I enjoy running mid 12s with just headers/tune/suspension.
Re: When do you stop reducing track times by reducing weight?
The tranny and diff are very heavy,if you could drop those you would go a lot faster!!!
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Re: When do you stop reducing track times by reducing weight?
Originally Posted by timelord
The tranny and diff are very heavy,if you could drop those you would go a lot faster!!!
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Re: When do you stop reducing track times by reducing weight?
Remember, you lose more time if it is ROTATING weight
Aluminum driveshaft, lighter internals(which also make it quicker revving!), gun drilled axles, drag wheels, etc.
Another thing: screw cat backs! go for either dumped true duals or just hack the I pipe off and throw out everything behind it.
Convert to a coilover setup, they're lighter!
Get rid of AC, HVAC, power steering, (maybe) power brakes, ABS. Only keep the bare essentials!
Don't get fat! Lose weight yourself... it's not all the car's fault
Remove the dash, wires everywhere will look like hell, but hey... noone will see them since they'll be losing!
Don't have rear seats anymore? Take out the seatbelts!
And if it truely is a strip only car, take a hammer to your mirrors and fab up some sheetmetal, combat air resistance.
Be creative!
Aluminum driveshaft, lighter internals(which also make it quicker revving!), gun drilled axles, drag wheels, etc.
Another thing: screw cat backs! go for either dumped true duals or just hack the I pipe off and throw out everything behind it.
Convert to a coilover setup, they're lighter!
Get rid of AC, HVAC, power steering, (maybe) power brakes, ABS. Only keep the bare essentials!
Don't get fat! Lose weight yourself... it's not all the car's fault
Remove the dash, wires everywhere will look like hell, but hey... noone will see them since they'll be losing!
Don't have rear seats anymore? Take out the seatbelts!
And if it truely is a strip only car, take a hammer to your mirrors and fab up some sheetmetal, combat air resistance.
Be creative!
Re: When do you stop reducing track times by reducing weight?
Along the lines with what Injuneer is saying, similar holds true for the rule of thumb with hp vs time reduction. For an average 14 second street car I believe the general rule of thumb is for ever 10hp increase you get .1 seconds off your time. Add about 100 hp and you can expect to drop about 1 second. However, this doesn't hold true for like a 7 second drag car. To take 1 second off a 7 second drag car and drop it to 6 seconds takes far more than 100 hp.
Re: When do you stop reducing track times by reducing weight?
Put your drivetrain in a Chevette/Monza
In the real world wouldn,t you run out of traction at some point? Just for arguements sake, how would you hook up 400 horsepower in a 1000 lbs or less vehicle?
How much do Top fuel cars weigh? Traction seems to be thier biggest problem.
Re: When do you stop reducing track times by reducing weight?
Originally Posted by revtime
How much do Top fuel cars weigh? Traction seems to be thier biggest problem.
I am under the impression that I can just keep removing stuff and then work on the suspension to get this heap to hook up.
Re: When do you stop reducing track times by reducing weight?
Depends how you want to use your car.... a lot of the F-Body specific events require a full interior, two seats, matching seats, etc.
I always respected this car for running 9.04/155 as a basically stock (body and interior - obviously not the engine
) 97 SS convertible, weighing 3,900#. And when he ran it in PRO/Edelbrock Extreme Street (which required full interior, two seats, etc. - he was even required to block off the hood scoop) it ran 8.60/160mph at 3,550#. Hard to tell it from a stock 30th SS..... at least from the front......
http://cjcfo.fbody.com/members/injun...B/IMG_0710.jpg
I always respected this car for running 9.04/155 as a basically stock (body and interior - obviously not the engine
) 97 SS convertible, weighing 3,900#. And when he ran it in PRO/Edelbrock Extreme Street (which required full interior, two seats, etc. - he was even required to block off the hood scoop) it ran 8.60/160mph at 3,550#. Hard to tell it from a stock 30th SS..... at least from the front......http://cjcfo.fbody.com/members/injun...B/IMG_0710.jpg
Re: When do you stop reducing track times by reducing weight?
I have had alot more fun lately just doing off the wall stuff. When I first got the car back in 96 I did what everyone else was doing, a catback, cai, you know the basics but with an eye to what everyone else thought should be done.
But then I got to thinkin, why can,t I do this? or that?......because almost everyone lowers thier car and puts big rims on it.......thats how its done.
Alot of guys give me grief over my car, it sits like a 4x4, the rear tires stick out of the wheelwells, it has only a drivers seat, I have a homemade dryer duct ram air, etc. But its different and I built 90 percent of the car myself, and at the end of the day it makes ME happy and thats all that matters.
But then I got to thinkin, why can,t I do this? or that?......because almost everyone lowers thier car and puts big rims on it.......thats how its done.
Alot of guys give me grief over my car, it sits like a 4x4, the rear tires stick out of the wheelwells, it has only a drivers seat, I have a homemade dryer duct ram air, etc. But its different and I built 90 percent of the car myself, and at the end of the day it makes ME happy and thats all that matters.
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