Thanks LiENUS - didn't notice the romulator part of the RT version...

He just said his product does data logging and most here are referencing Datamaster.

So - if Freescan can log as well as Datamaster - why buy that?

Cable - $65
Freeescan - $0
Tunercat - $70
total - $135

Now that is obviously a better deal

Any personal use with Freescan - I'll read their site too - but hands on compared to the well mentioned Datamaster would be great.

Bare in mind - I'm not car computer savvy so the easier to just read numbers and % the better I'll be able to translate into tuning changes.

I just like the idea of one software package does logging and tuning - more confident they will work together and read similarly...

 

Hes on ebay, and hes primarily selling the cable, he says the cable can do data logging which is true, i don't see any screenshots of datamaster just tunercat (non RT version)
In short, it can't, datamaster provides fancy graphs and supports automatic transmission datalogging. Datamaster also supports A/C pressure and tells you whether you're in performance mode or not on an A/T freescan provides a much narrower range of documentation.
You also need to add in the cost of the $EE definition file (19.95) so you're looking at around 155$ to build the same thing this guy is selling on ebay.
I use freescan all the time, it works great but its best used if you're good with excel and the like, I have a spreadsheet setup that I use that automatically gives me instantanious and average fuel economy, Volumetric efficiency, fuel flow rate, distance traveled, total fuel used, manifold vacuum in inches of mercury and injector duty cycle, I've even toyed around with using the vehicles change in velocity (acceleration) to calculate foot lbs of torque. Datamaster gives injector duty cycle and the ft lbs of torque (and hp) calculation automatically with no need to mess around excel.
Tuning will be a little more difficult if you're not computer savvy but theres no reason you can't be great at tuning and suck at using a computer in general. The only thing is you might want to pick up datamaster instead of using just freescan but theres no reason you can't use freescan for now till you feel like buying datamaster.
Hes not providing a software package that does logging and tuning, afaik there are none for the LT1 except for tunerpro RT (which is a major pain in the *** to use)

 

LiENUS - thank you for taking the time to make that clear for me - much appreciated

I am good with computers and Excel - but when I had LS1 Edit, I was timid with my changes because of uncertainty what the values actually meant.
I had a few tunes from other guys to compare with and try - but never really felt much after changes except my idle rpm, with a/c on, shift points etc.
The timing and A/F tables scare me.
I've been reading everything I can for my LT1 and am ready to try again.
It has the mods in my sig and a great running tune already. I think the trans was tuned out due to a vacuum line running into the trans right by the electric plug on the pass side. Also the stall has no lock up. I've never logged to see if the PCM is telling it too...partly why I'm posting now.

I found this website, seems like sound fundemental tuning to follow as a start point...
http://www.lt1pcmtuning.com/tips.php
I was thinking the same - Freescan now, see what I see, Tunercat, make some tweaks, Datamaster after to really see whats up. Then the track - God's dyno.
Thanks again for your help.

 

I politely asked him what software and USB cable is included in the "kit"
Here is his "professional" response:

AND I QUOTE

" LOOK HERE YOU *****. I ALREADY POSTED THAT THIS KIT DOES NOT COME WITH TUNER CAT SOFTWARE ON THE FORUM. I GET ****** LIKE YOU ****ING WITH ME ALL DAY LONG. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS, AND STOP WORRYING ABOUT MY PRODUCTS. DON'T YOU HAVE YOUR OWN BUSINESS TO RUN?


- top_of_the_line_performance_1984

END QUOTE

NOT anyone I want to deal with in business transaction.
Respectfully,
Anthony

 

wow is there blacklist on ebay? so i can put him on it

 

Did you guys see what I saw a bit ago? A mod must have deleted them but there were two more posts by this guy a couple of hours ago from the same account The first was him acting like someone else saying that "he" knew the guy selling the kit and how great he is and how he isn't supposed to post things without being an advertiser. Then a few minutes later he posted as himself saying how every kit is the same and giving out his humber...BOTH POSTS WERE UNDER THE SAME ACCOUNT NAME. Forgot to swtich to the "other" user name I guess.

 

So then hes selling something with a 60$ value for 200$ (and still charges 8$ shipping!), no reason to buy this then when you can get more value for less. TunerPro might work decently but tunercat supports more features in the pcm and is likely better supported than this guy supports his stuff.

 

He is a friend of mine and we work together.
The other user on here called Aknovaman, is just trying to ruin his name. He has been getting alot of emails lately about selling pirated software, but he is not selling TunerCAT, and Aknovaman knows it because he was the one harrassing him about it. That's why the ugly email. Aknovaman's name is Alex, and claims that he is friends with Tuner CAT, so he was emailing the Ebay harrassing emails for a whole week. If you are going to lie on someone, then why not tell the whole truth?
The ECM Definitions in TunerCAT support all the same functions as Tuner PRO, there is no difference in calibration parameters. The price is high because he is teaching you how to tune. This post better not get deleted this time, because there is no advertisement in it, no catch phrases or anything. This post is just for clarity. If you talk about me or my friends, then I have a right to talk back. Everytime I post sh*t on here it gets deleted instantly. Even if I am not advertising. I didn't post my number, I posted the business number for my friends business. But it was only so you could call and clarify. Yall do all this talking about him, why not just call him and ask him yourself what is in it, and why the price is so high. I'm sure he wouldn't mind explaining everything to you. I cannot post information on here about it, because some ***** up in the Forum Office claims that that type of talk would be considered advertising. So you are going to have to call him if you want any type of details. But I do know the sh*t works, because I have used it.

 

Too much drama. When a "better " product or service justifies a higher price, the vendor should fully explain the what's and why's to earn business.
This has signs of an item/service that will not last = no future support.
Too bad if he is offering quality cable and softwre plus "teaching how to tune" as stated above - that could have won me over.
I shy away from 2nd and 3rd party references explaining why everything looks bad. It usually just means - it's bad.
And calling the Forum Office profane names won't win credential points either.

 

Why are you being so deceptive?
Why does the ebay listing have pictures of TunerCAT then? Why not post pictures of tunerpro?
Really, I just checked the tuner pro definition file for $EE and it lacks the minimum injector pulsewidth constant and the Fast O2 Rich/Lean Threshold Vs. CL Mode and CL Mode Value Vs. AirFlow tables, there are several other tables and constants that are missing as well but these are two easy obvious ones to point out.
Since you are merely friends with him and yall have both posted under this account, perhaps the friendly mods can check the ips of your posts since yall aren't the same person and tell us for a fact that you aren't lying about who you are. Me personally looking at the content of this post that you made and the content of the alleged email aknovaman received I believe you are the same person.

 

FYI
Alex Rutenburg (vectorbundle) and I (Anthony Dreiling, AkNovaMan) are not the same person, We're business partners our programming business.
He lives in NY and I am in KS. I suggest anyone get the facts straight before you begin accusing me or Alex of anything. Doing otherwise wil not bring any credit to yourself.

We both had similar questions about the auctions. Our intent was to inquire and obtain clarification to exactly what was included in the auctions. I do not want anyone to spend their hard earned $$ and not be satisfied with the goods/services delivered.

In our business make every effort to accurately describe our services as in all business deals and expect others to do the same in a professional and respectful manner.

Our hundreds of positive eBay feedback ratings and personal reputation among the national level Impala SS clubs, Illinois and Kansas F-body, and B-body are in very good standing.

My intent of joining this forum was, and will continute to be, to help anyone with programming/tuning issues.


Respectfully,
Anthony
AkNovaMan

 

ALDLcable.com has a $59 USB cable that fits a 1995.

 

i just saw this post and was going to ignore all this stupidity since i am not in the habit of airing people's dirty laundry. but i don't like being misrepresented, so... for the record, as has already been stated, i (alex) am a different person from anthony. stop making assumptions, it will probably help.

i actually sent you a <very polite> email on ebay simply asking <what> software you were selling. and, yes, it was because it certainly <looked> like you were selling pirated TC sw. whose fault is THAT when you are the one who put TC screenshots in your listing? LOL.

now, to my polite question you responded with a tirade of threats, insults and profanity. what kind of response did you think it would invite from me? don't complain and call it 'harassment' when you receive as you give.

maybe at some point it's time to put 2 + 2 together and draw some obvious conclusions...

-alex
programming@PCMperformance.com