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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 04:37 PM
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am I on the correct path?

I have a 94z. my friends have 97 trans am and a 2001 trans am.

today I ordered:


OBD-Y USB/ALDL Cable, fully tested, Both molded OBDI and OBDII style connectors in a Y-format,
popular with shops and people who work with both types of connectors


and will be getting this:


TTS Datamaster License including CDROM - software for scanning your car or truck (software only, you need a cable to use the software)


and this:

$EE 16181333 or 16188051 94 - 95 Y, F & B CAR, Cadillac 5.7L, LT1, L99 (FLASH) (incl. 'Rev B')

and have my sons have laptops

question is am I on the correct path for my car?
Old Sep 10, 2009 | 05:20 PM
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The TunerCat and Datamaster software will only run on the '94 OBD1 PCM, not on the others. The others are OBD2 and require completely different and more expensive software. TTS Datamaster should be version DM35XEE, I assume that's what you ordered. I see you ordered the TunerCat $EE definition file but you did not mention the TunerCat " Tuner " program. The Tuner program is free for 30 days then costs $69.95. You need Tuner program plus a the definition file to read and edit the OBD1 PCM data.

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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 08:08 PM
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thanks for clearing that up

I do know the other cars will need different software. I just ordered the cable to do both now.
I'm not going to down load anything till I get the cables


thanks again
Old Sep 14, 2009 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by slowride94z
TTS Datamaster License including CDROM - software for scanning your car or truck (software only, you need a cable to use the software)
Start with the free trial of datamaster. If you are judicious in your usage you can go a long way on the 20 free scans.
Old Sep 19, 2009 | 07:54 PM
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got the cables and installed datamaster.

got tuner cats, but cant get the definition file to load into cats.


how do I post the uni file on here?

vista is special
Old Sep 20, 2009 | 10:23 AM
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You can't post files to this site. You have to upload them to an FTP site, and post the address. I'd also suggest that you upload your DataMaster files in both .uni and (export as) .csv formats. You can only read a .uni file with DataMaster software. Anyone with Excel can read your .csv files. I find it a lot easier to manipulate and evalute the files in Excel.
Old Sep 20, 2009 | 10:47 AM
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slowride, did you install TC setup in XC compat mode and then set TC exec properties to run in XP compat ? ref " http://www.tunercat.com/tnr_desc/faq.html#21 ". When you load TC and click on the ECM tab up top do you get a popup with PCM_EE and PCM_EEB options. How does it fail ? Also don't rule out a bad download-unzip, you may need another .def file .
Old Sep 20, 2009 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by bobdec
slowride, did you install TC setup in XC compat mode and then set TC exec properties to run in XP compat ? ref " http://www.tunercat.com/tnr_desc/faq.html#21 ". When you load TC and click on the ECM tab up top do you get a popup with PCM_EE and PCM_EEB options. How does it fail ? Also don't rule out a bad download-unzip, you may need another .def file .
the ecm tab cannot be activated it is dull.
yes I did everything in the faq. four or five times. the cats is loaded, and will come up and open


a pop up appears with :

selected source file is either corrupt or an unrecognized format

or

unable to open ecm file

Thanks for all the help
I'm gonna do this , with all your help

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Old Sep 20, 2009 | 01:41 PM
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http://www.verzend.be/download/12513...de94z-csv.html
Old Sep 21, 2009 | 07:12 PM
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with a lot of file locations switching I think I have it. now where to start


did anyone look at my datalog?
Old Sep 23, 2009 | 10:24 AM
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Just some casual looking, TPS is missing, but at record 760 looks like you nailed the throttle (WOT) MAP goes to 98.9 kpa and RPM jumps to 3900. What I see is you are entering PE mode (WOT). You ST BLM's lock and O2's go to the 900's mv which is perfectly normal. However you started picking up knock timing retard of 7* in record 760, your timing at 3900 rpm/ 98.9 kpa should be around 37* depending on your tune, but instead you drop to 29* when you enter WOT and start your run, the retard goes away about 2-3 seconds later when you are still in WOT and timing gets back up to 38* by record 781. Also noticed you are running lean in some BLM (trim) cells most noticeable you are 4.7 and 7.8 % lean in cell 15, so you entered WOT (PE mode) with timing at 41-42* and in a lean condition. The PCM will remember the BLM settings you enter WOT at and the PE tables add fuel bases on those BLM settings, 99% of the time you enter PE from BLM cell 15 so it's important to get BLM cell 15 LT counts as close to 128 as possible. Suggest you investigate the cause, possible MAF tuning if in MAF mode, VE if in SD mode. The lean could have caused the knock, I personally had the same problem, played with mixture and timing, and finally fixed it with an LT4 knock module. But it's not a cure all and you should try lower timing a few degrees first and getting fuel mix correct before going that way. It could be caused by vibration, header noise, roller rockers, etc. But you have to eliminate real knock first by lowering the timing 5* at a time to see if it goes away. Your temp is at 180*, normal for a 160* t-stat so heat is not a problem. If you get timing down into the 20* range and BLM's in the 128's it still knocks then it's most likely false and the LT4 KM may help.

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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 05:56 PM
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wow thats a lot



trans
http://www.verzend.be/download/12766...trans-uni.html
Old Sep 23, 2009 | 07:23 PM
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this is what Iv been looking at

part throttle early shifts and
stall wall issues:

Originally Posted by WS6T3RROR
If the maf is calibrated properly you should not have to change much if anything in the tune stock tunes generally need some leaning out though but check with mr wideband first. Timing should be ok as is also, you didnt do anything that would change it really. Can either use maf tables or % enrichment tables to add fuel for wot. Part throttle should be fine. For an automatic I usually firm up the shifts for the larger throttle body because bigger throttle blades = more air at less tps = sometimes soggy shifts. For the stall you'll want to work on the lockup tables a bit and maybe up some of the shift points a couple mph to keep the slop out of the stall. I like to fix up the shift tables so it will kick down with less throttle opening and go into pe mode with less throttle input also, but thats just me and it takes quite a bit of time.
Originally Posted by s_willis
If you have TunerCat, go into the ECM Constants table and scroll to "Vss Diagnostic Enable Min" and change the rpm value to on that is above your converter stall value. Worked for me! There is actually a few threads discussing this problem.
Hope this works for ya.
Originally Posted by WS6T3RROR
Just move the vss diagnostic all the way up, basicly disable it. The 1->2 shift thing is debatable and not always required I wouldnt do it unless it still showed up after a hard launch with the vss diagnostic turned up.

Usually with a stall you need to command the kickdown rpm and kickdown mph to be a little early to keep from banging the limiter (these are your wot shift table rpm and mph its just called kickdown for god know what reason).

No idea why this is such a closely guarded secret, people are open about everything else but this they get hush hush on .









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