z06 specs anyone seen this?
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Re: z06 specs anyone seen this?
Originally Posted by BigBlueCruiser
The C6 has not layed any smackdown on any exotic. The thing is woefully underperforming for a 400hp 3250lb car. Bone stock it runs 12.8-13.0@111. NOBODY is posting any times over at the corvette forums(wonder why that is). The Ferrari F430(the new entry level car) runs high 11s@120+. It keeps up with the NA Porsche Carrera and that's about it.
I don't see a 600+hp GT losing to the 500+hp Z06. The 300lbs just doesn't make up the power difference.
I don't see a 600+hp GT losing to the 500+hp Z06. The 300lbs just doesn't make up the power difference.
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Re: z06 specs anyone seen this?
Originally Posted by BigBlueCruiser
The C6 has not layed any smackdown on any exotic. The thing is woefully underperforming for a 400hp 3250lb car. Bone stock it runs 12.8-13.0@111. NOBODY is posting any times over at the corvette forums(wonder why that is). The Ferrari F430(the new entry level car) runs high 11s@120+. It keeps up with the NA Porsche Carrera and that's about it.
You're kidding right?
Have you been monitoring dragstrips across the US and logging runs made by C6's? Your hopes of the poor performance of the C6 will be shattered soon enough when times start rolling in...
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Re: z06 specs anyone seen this?
Originally Posted by Chris 96 WS6
The bigger point I'd like to make is that even if we determine in the end the GT is a slightly better performer, it is still twice the cost.
This is Ford's vaunted, celebrated Halo Car, all of Ford's heritage, history, nostalgia, and spirit rolled into one $120,000 car, that can barely stay ahead of GM's own storied Corvette flagship, which happens to cost 55% as much.
Sort of a slap in the face to all the hard work that GM can come in and basically match you for half the cost.
Sure, excuses will be made ad nauseum. "GM is starting with an already mass produced Vette that cuts costs." Yes, that is a REASON the Z06 will match the GT for half the price, but not an excuse that magically makes it OK. At the end of the day, all the excuses in the world don't erase the fact the Z06 will be 98%+ of the GT's performance for half the cost.
Like, If guy A and guy B line up to foot race in gym class, and guy A spanks guy B. Guy B might have an excuse like "well, of course I'm slower because I weight more." Yes, that is one reason why you are not as fast, but it doesn't erase the fact that you aren't as fast.
And I'm sure inevitable, perhaps even in this thread, we will hear "I'd still take the GT over the Z if cost was not an issue." That's nice, but when is cost ever not an issue? Be my guest, spend $60,000 more for no added product. I'm sure the guys that hand build the GT's will appreciate you making their Christmas bonuses for them.
Its like if I go to buy a riding mower. Brand A is 12hp, 40" cut for $1000. Brand B is 12.5hp, 40" cut but is $2000. Performance is virtually identical. I'm going to buy Brand A every time.
The Magazines are going to love this showdown and to a man every one will pick the Z because of the massive price difference.
This is Ford's vaunted, celebrated Halo Car, all of Ford's heritage, history, nostalgia, and spirit rolled into one $120,000 car, that can barely stay ahead of GM's own storied Corvette flagship, which happens to cost 55% as much.
Sort of a slap in the face to all the hard work that GM can come in and basically match you for half the cost.
Sure, excuses will be made ad nauseum. "GM is starting with an already mass produced Vette that cuts costs." Yes, that is a REASON the Z06 will match the GT for half the price, but not an excuse that magically makes it OK. At the end of the day, all the excuses in the world don't erase the fact the Z06 will be 98%+ of the GT's performance for half the cost.
Like, If guy A and guy B line up to foot race in gym class, and guy A spanks guy B. Guy B might have an excuse like "well, of course I'm slower because I weight more." Yes, that is one reason why you are not as fast, but it doesn't erase the fact that you aren't as fast.
And I'm sure inevitable, perhaps even in this thread, we will hear "I'd still take the GT over the Z if cost was not an issue." That's nice, but when is cost ever not an issue? Be my guest, spend $60,000 more for no added product. I'm sure the guys that hand build the GT's will appreciate you making their Christmas bonuses for them.
Its like if I go to buy a riding mower. Brand A is 12hp, 40" cut for $1000. Brand B is 12.5hp, 40" cut but is $2000. Performance is virtually identical. I'm going to buy Brand A every time.
The Magazines are going to love this showdown and to a man every one will pick the Z because of the massive price difference.
GM Fanboy: The Z06 will outrun it. If it can't outrun it, it'll outhandle it. If it can't outhandle it, it costs half as much.
Ford Fanboy: It's still just a vette.
The GT will outrun the Z06 in pretty much everything, as it should. And the Z06 will still give you more for your money. And it's all just an exercise in fantasy because no one here has a shot at either.
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Re: z06 specs anyone seen this?
Originally Posted by BigBlueCruiser
The GT will outrun the Z06 in pretty much everything, as it should. And the Z06 will still give you more for your money. And it's all just an exercise in fantasy because no one here has a shot at either.
And how do you know no one here has a shot at those cars?
You have no clue what mine or anyone elses' net worth or income is, so how can you make that statement? For all you know (or don't know) there are some $100K/year guys surfing around here would very well could own at least the Z.
Where do you get 600+ hp for the GT? Evidence?
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Re: z06 specs anyone seen this?
Originally Posted by uluz28
You're kidding right?
Have you been monitoring dragstrips across the US and logging runs made by C6's? Your hopes of the poor performance of the C6 will be shattered soon enough when times start rolling in...
Have you been monitoring dragstrips across the US and logging runs made by C6's? Your hopes of the poor performance of the C6 will be shattered soon enough when times start rolling in...
Buddy some of the best C5 Z06 drivers and tuner shops have already reported in on their new C6s. Nobody's getting anywhere near what they expected. In fact, show me 1 link to anyone running a 12.7@113 or better on their new C6. The tracks are still open down south.
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Re: z06 specs anyone seen this?
Originally Posted by BigBlueCruiser
Buddy some of the best C5 Z06 drivers and tuner shops have already reported in on their new C6s. Nobody's getting anywhere near what they expected. In fact, show me 1 link to anyone running a 12.7@113 or better on their new C6. The tracks are still open down south.
Its LS6 heads on a 6.0L block with the same transmission as the C5 in a lighter car. You have to assume any loss of performance is in the programming, which is easily fixed.
Now, we can argue all day that what it runs stock is what it runs stock, so if its crippled by programming then so be it. And you'd have a valid point. But I think it would be presumptuous (which seems to suit you well) to think the Z06 would suffer from the same affliction. I'm sure GM's concern is the warranty and durability problems inherent in putting 400hp in every vette they sell.
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Re: z06 specs anyone seen this?
Originally Posted by Chris 96 WS6
You are awfully confident. Why don't we wait until there is a race before you claim victory.
And how do you know no one here has a shot at those cars?
You have no clue what mine or anyone elses' net worth or income is, so how can you make that statement? For all you know (or don't know) there are some $100K/year guys surfing around here would very well could own at least the Z.
Where do you get 600+ hp for the GT? Evidence?
And how do you know no one here has a shot at those cars?
You have no clue what mine or anyone elses' net worth or income is, so how can you make that statement? For all you know (or don't know) there are some $100K/year guys surfing around here would very well could own at least the Z.
Where do you get 600+ hp for the GT? Evidence?
Evidence? It ran almost even with 2 600+hp cars that weigh 200lbs less
http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coup...ro/index5.html
I'm just staking my claim, just like you did. Except without all the hedging. We'll see who right next spring.
Yeah I know there's fellas on here who can buy one. Funny thing is, they're not fanboys.
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I say, why don't we just wait till people start seriously drag racing both cars in real life, and watch whatever roadcourse race series that C6 Z06 and GT is in... then we'll see..
or at the very least, a direct comparison by some mag.....
IMO, my GUESS is, stock for stock, the GT may have a chance to outgun the C6 Z06 in a 1/4 mile and 0-60 by a tenth or a few.. But besides that, I think the the z06 is going to beat it in every other test, including 0-150-0 and roadcourse.
or at the very least, a direct comparison by some mag.....
IMO, my GUESS is, stock for stock, the GT may have a chance to outgun the C6 Z06 in a 1/4 mile and 0-60 by a tenth or a few.. But besides that, I think the the z06 is going to beat it in every other test, including 0-150-0 and roadcourse.
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Originally Posted by Chris 96 WS6
I'm pretty confident that is all due to Tq management. Once tuning software becomes available for the '05 MY then the times are going to start dropping.
Its LS6 heads on a 6.0L block with the same transmission as the C5 in a lighter car. You have to assume any loss of performance is in the programming, which is easily fixed.
Now, we can argue all day that what it runs stock is what it runs stock, so if its crippled by programming then so be it. And you'd have a valid point. But I think it would be presumptuous (which seems to suit you well) to think the Z06 would suffer from the same affliction. I'm sure GM's concern is the warranty and durability problems inherent in putting 400hp in every vette they sell.
Its LS6 heads on a 6.0L block with the same transmission as the C5 in a lighter car. You have to assume any loss of performance is in the programming, which is easily fixed.
Now, we can argue all day that what it runs stock is what it runs stock, so if its crippled by programming then so be it. And you'd have a valid point. But I think it would be presumptuous (which seems to suit you well) to think the Z06 would suffer from the same affliction. I'm sure GM's concern is the warranty and durability problems inherent in putting 400hp in every vette they sell.
Well I agree. In FACT, I was the one who pointed out first that the 12.7@113 was very dissappointing and that something seemed very fishy.
The C6 is detuned, decammed, and torque managed. It's all true.
And I believe the Z06 will not have any of this and run mid 11s@125+ making it a fast *ss car.
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GM's stated 1/4 mile performance number for the Z06 is 11.7@127.
Fully capable of taking down or running neck and neck with the "exotics" mentioned, and concerning the GT the trap is faster than one of the mags, basically tied with another, and slower than the third. At this point, the most reasonable evaluation is that the GT and the Z06 are going to be neck and neck in the quarter... with the possiblity that on a road course the Vette takes the GT down UGLY.
Here's the long and short of it:
At the very MINIMUM a sub-$75,000 Corvette that anyone will be able to buy runs neck and neck with ~$150,000 (before mark-up) Ford "exotic."
If that isn't humiliating enough for the Ford whiners, I don't know what is.
Again, the only question is to what degree the humiliation will be rubbed in. Will the Z06 truly out-corner, out-brake, out-accelerate, out-roadrace, and out-1/4 the very best that Ford can do for HALF the money?
Fully capable of taking down or running neck and neck with the "exotics" mentioned, and concerning the GT the trap is faster than one of the mags, basically tied with another, and slower than the third. At this point, the most reasonable evaluation is that the GT and the Z06 are going to be neck and neck in the quarter... with the possiblity that on a road course the Vette takes the GT down UGLY.
Here's the long and short of it:
At the very MINIMUM a sub-$75,000 Corvette that anyone will be able to buy runs neck and neck with ~$150,000 (before mark-up) Ford "exotic."
If that isn't humiliating enough for the Ford whiners, I don't know what is.
Again, the only question is to what degree the humiliation will be rubbed in. Will the Z06 truly out-corner, out-brake, out-accelerate, out-roadrace, and out-1/4 the very best that Ford can do for HALF the money?
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Re: z06 specs anyone seen this?
Originally Posted by PacerX
Again, the only question is to what degree the humiliation will be rubbed in. Will the Z06 truly out-corner, out-brake, out-accelerate, out-roadrace, and out-1/4 the very best that Ford can do for HALF the money?
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Re: z06 specs anyone seen this?
Originally Posted by BigBlueCruiser
I'm just staking my claim, just like you did. Except without all the hedging. We'll see who right next spring.
If that's hedging, so be it.
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Originally Posted by Chris 96 WS6
Where am I hedging? You ford fanboys are insisting no way the Zo6 would beat the GT, but it might be close. I'm fine to suggest that even if it doesn't beat a GT (and we've yet to define exactly what the Z06 has to win in order to be considered the "winner"), a car costing 50% as much surpassing, equaling, or even almost equaling the GT is still a big embarrassment for a car Ford has called their "pacecar for an entire company."
If that's hedging, so be it.
If that's hedging, so be it.
Well here's what I hear.
It may be faster, but even if it is close that proves the GT is an overpriced POS because the vette does it for half.
Well geez, not even the Ford boys are claiming the Porsche GT and Enzo are overpriced even though the GT did exactly what you hope the vette will do.
Finally, remember we ALREADY have 2 cars weighing a mere 100lbs more than a Z06 with OVER 600hp barely edging out the GT under equal conditions on the same day same driver. So for a GM fanboy to legitimately claim the Z06 has a snowball's chance in hell of outrunning or getting close to the GT, he/she/it must actually believe the Z06 will be underrated on the order of 80-90 hp. NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
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I find it ironic that the price arguement is being used. Why is that any more valid than the hp per liter arguement? The Mustang produces more hp per liter with a smaller motor, runs nearly the same as a Camaro and is cheaper. Yet that arguement isn't valid to GM people. Yet, a cheaper Corvette which almost runs as fast as a GT and is cheaper is the best thing ever!!! LOL You GM guys crack me up.
BTW, not anyone can afford a Z06. There are a few here that can and do want one (hopefully the price is less than $75,000).
One more thing I wanted to mention. I at least one of those magazine reviews was of a less powerful, pre-production GT. The production GT's are fast, very fast.
PaperTarget <---- waiting for reviews
BTW, not anyone can afford a Z06. There are a few here that can and do want one (hopefully the price is less than $75,000).
One more thing I wanted to mention. I at least one of those magazine reviews was of a less powerful, pre-production GT. The production GT's are fast, very fast.
PaperTarget <---- waiting for reviews
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Im still very confused as to how anyone can possibly call ANYTHING from Ford an "exotic". The GT is a nice car and all, but the problem with it is circled, for everyone to read!