It was posted today, and already it's 27 pages! Am I glad we're not that kindergarten.

 

Im still wondering what the price is really gonna be. Over at Motor Trend, they seem to think itll be 75k, while Car and Driver seem to think itll be more around 62-65k. Im liking Car and Driver alot more

 

My bet is it will come in at $69,995, under the psychological $70,000 barrier.

 

I hear that. Ive proven with my buddies Gtech that I can 60 foot better on the street in front of my house than at Moroso in West Palm...

 

Looks good. Still slower than the GT I really do hope that 62K price is right although I think it'll be higher. I've never seen a Z06 at base price on a lot. In the end, it's still a Vette (flame suit on, he he he)

 

First thing bro. The GT has ALREADY run an 11.2@131. Let's see what the Z06 really runs in the hands of the average car rag.

Second thing, in your power to weight calculus, what hp figures are you using? 520 for the Z06? 550 for the GT? Cuz that ain't the real story.

 

I didn't calculate power to weight, I took the article's word for it.

But while we are at it we have a 500hp Z06 weighing 3130lbs. We have a 550hp GT weighing 3450 or thereabouts. That's a power to weight ratio of 1:6.26 for the Z vs. 6.27 for the GT. I'd say that's about equal, wouldn't you "bro"?

That's rated power of course, and everybody claims the GT is underrated, but you'd just about have to assume the Z is underrated as well.

I won't even get into how much better the Z will be on a roadcourse considering its not hauling around an extra 300 lbs of girth in its trunk.

I'm actually suprised it took this long for the Ford fanboys to get all worked up.

 

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Merely having the possibility of the Z06 laying the smack down on the GT is worth it's weight in gold... but apparently GM is only going to charge something south of $75,000 for it.

 

Dollars per HP, approximate:

Z06: $140 (assuming $70K sticker)

GT: $218 (assuming $120K)

At 300 lbs heavier, I guess you can honestly say you get more car for your money, LOL.

 

The Vette has laid the smackdown on Ferrari's and other exotics and no one except Vette owners care. I think we'll see a similar reaction, IF (big if) it can lay the smackdown on the GT. Nothing we've seen shows that it can yet. The GT is still > in my book even if it's slower. One is exotic, one is just a Vette

 

I agree. However, from what I read the Z06 is underrated by 12 hp. The GT was considerably more than that.

Well, I wouldn't read too much into 300 lbs making a better handling car on a road coarse. The GT has already trounced some lighter cars on the roadcourse. There are many dynamics to handling and weight is but one of them and not necessarily the most important. I really hope these two go head to head. I think it'll be a great match up.

Actually, I only think one Ford fanboy is worked up and it's not me I was just trying to stir the pot.

 

...and one is just a FERD

 

Yep, I think you're probably right on that. So the GT probably realistically has a slightly better power:weight but still its not a runaway.

Yes and no. While great chassis dynamics can make up for weight, you cannot defeat physics. Its the same concept as "no replacement for displacement." Besides, I cannot accept that the GT's chassis dynamics are sufficiently superior to make up for a 10% overweight condition by comparison.

I think that is inevitable

Dang, I know it Keeps it interesting around here

 

The bigger point I'd like to make is that even if we determine in the end the GT is a slightly better performer, it is still twice the cost.

This is Ford's vaunted, celebrated Halo Car, all of Ford's heritage, history, nostalgia, and spirit rolled into one $120,000 car, that can barely stay ahead of GM's own storied Corvette flagship, which happens to cost 55% as much.

Sort of a slap in the face to all the hard work that GM can come in and basically match you for half the cost.

Sure, excuses will be made ad nauseum. "GM is starting with an already mass produced Vette that cuts costs." Yes, that is a REASON the Z06 will match the GT for half the price, but not an excuse that magically makes it OK. At the end of the day, all the excuses in the world don't erase the fact the Z06 will be 98%+ of the GT's performance for half the cost.

Like, If guy A and guy B line up to foot race in gym class, and guy A spanks guy B. Guy B might have an excuse like "well, of course I'm slower because I weight more." Yes, that is one reason why you are not as fast, but it doesn't erase the fact that you aren't as fast.

And I'm sure inevitable, perhaps even in this thread, we will hear "I'd still take the GT over the Z if cost was not an issue." That's nice, but when is cost ever not an issue? Be my guest, spend $60,000 more for no added product. I'm sure the guys that hand build the GT's will appreciate you making their Christmas bonuses for them.

Its like if I go to buy a riding mower. Brand A is 12hp, 40" cut for $1000. Brand B is 12.5hp, 40" cut but is $2000. Performance is virtually identical. I'm going to buy Brand A every time.

The Magazines are going to love this showdown and to a man every one will pick the Z because of the massive price difference.

 

If you wanna call 12.7@113 laying the smakdown on the exotics, go ahead. And that's a generous 1/4 mile ET. Pretty much no one is posting any times on the vette forums. And the few that have are 13@110. The Ferrari F430(the new entry level car) runs high 11s@120+. It keeps up with the NA Porsche Carrera and that's about it.

I don't see a 600+hp GT losing to the 500+hp Z06. The 300lbs just doesn't make up the power difference.