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9
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Would you expect a 2007 Camaro to be more expensive then a 2007 Mustang?

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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 08:25 PM
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Re: Would you expect a 2007 Camaro to be more expensive then a 2007 Mustang?

Originally Posted by Darth Xed
If you have similarly equipped cars, V6 to V6, the Mustang would be cheaper by about $500-700... similar V8 trim level models were even closer, and in general, an SS is cheaper than a Cobra for the years the two cars were both produced.
I did that a while back (2001 or 2002 i think), and the gap was much more than a couple of hundred bucks on both v6 and v8 models. Gotta remember that the base camaro's had nowhere near the equipment list standard on the mustangs. That alone forced you to purchase a 1,300 some dollar option package on the camaro if i recall right, and even then, the equipment list slightly favored the standard mustang. The standard equipment list was what really seperated the two as far as price. The price difference was especially drastic on the v6 models when i priced them out.

Having said that, and assuming the 5th gen will have a sub-400hp Ls2 and IRS, good interior, and a decent list of options on top of a good sized standard equipment list, i would expect it to cost atleast a grand or two more since it'll be more car imo.
Old Nov 17, 2004 | 09:04 PM
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Re: Would you expect a 2007 Camaro to be more expensive then a 2007 Mustang?

Its funny, because the way that some on here post, you don't think they are expecting much. You know, 350-400hp V8, IRS, world class chassis, handling, interior, and looks............... for $20K. LOL (oh yea, I need to add that they will sell tons of them, but not to girls, and you will hardly ever see another one on the road when you are)

Disclaimer. This is a slight exageration. However, based on some posts, its probably not far off.
Old Nov 17, 2004 | 09:41 PM
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Re: Would you expect a 2007 Camaro to be more expensive then a 2007 Mustang?

IF they build one.......
Old Nov 18, 2004 | 03:06 AM
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Re: Would you expect a 2007 Camaro to be more expensive then a 2007 Mustang?

I honestly would pay up to $30k flat, for a Camaro with perfect rubber, performance supension, big brakes, and cooling. with a drivetrain to back it up and good fit and finish. Sure its kinda pricey, but then its a whole lot easier to focus on the hp mods. But only if its the "real deal", tested and track proven.


In fact, if they do that, I will trade in my 99 Z28, and possibilty even my Avalanche, for one. (although the wife won't like that idea...)


I rather then charge a bit more, and not cut corners/make sacrifices.. then charge less, and have to obviously cut corners here and there.


I think its totally possible for the Camaro to be more expensive than a Mustang, but still be a better value.. IE, the extra money is well spent.


In a comparo, I rather see the Pro's: good Build Quality/fit and finish, awesome performance,
Cons: higher price, aggressive layout = less interior room
Bottom line: best performer, a bit mnore expensive, but well worth the $


IOW: I don't want to hear the excuse, "well its flaws are made by its great raw performance #'s"..


Things I dream to hear are:

"Forget about the pervious notions of Camaro's being squeeky rattle traps, the general made this Camaro solid! It will also cut thru the corners and rip thru the straights, leaving the competition behind...outperforming the pervious generation in every aspect, from interior to performance... Its apparent that GM definantly did their homework at their new roadcourse test testrack...the 1LE is a serious suspension, brake, and cooling package aimed for the performance ethusiast"

Perhaps the downside would be, "the Camaro's more aggressive greenhouse sacrifices some interior room, and its low slung designs makes getting in and out a little more work than the more upright Mustang" IMO, would be a good thing differentiating the Camaro as a more performance driven machine.

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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 07:25 AM
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Re: Would you expect a 2007 Camaro to be more expensive then a 2007 Mustang?

Originally Posted by Gold_Rush
I did that a while back (2001 or 2002 i think), and the gap was much more than a couple of hundred bucks on both v6 and v8 models. Gotta remember that the base camaro's had nowhere near the equipment list standard on the mustangs. That alone forced you to purchase a 1,300 some dollar option package on the camaro if i recall right, and even then, the equipment list slightly favored the standard mustang. The standard equipment list was what really seperated the two as far as price. The price difference was especially drastic on the v6 models when i priced them out.

Having said that, and assuming the 5th gen will have a sub-400hp Ls2 and IRS, good interior, and a decent list of options on top of a good sized standard equipment list, i would expect it to cost atleast a grand or two more since it'll be more car imo.
Since the cars are hard to make "identical", you have to get as close as you can... Mustangs can't have T-tops or a 6-speed (only a 5-speed), Camaro's coudlnt get 1000 watt stereos fromt he factory...

So after we elimiated those types of things, the biggest gap we could come up with in a fair comparo was just under $1000 if I remember right, but that was pushing it as far as you really could.

We had quite a few threads about this "back in the day"...

Either way, doesn't matter much now....

One thing I found interesting in this poll is that it is assuming Camaro has to be or will be higher priced than Mustang... I don't think that is really MANDATORY.

Think about the launch times for the last generation of Camaro and Mustang... the Camaro debuted in model year 1993 and set it's pricing. Mustang debuted in 1994 and could price itself IN RESPONSE to the new Camaro.

GM now holds there cards, since Mustang will alreayd be out and the pricing set. GM can now trump the Mustang pricing by undercutting it liek Mustang did to Camaro if they choose to take advantage of the situation.
Old Nov 18, 2004 | 11:31 AM
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Re: Would you expect a 2007 Camaro to be more expensive then a 2007 Mustang?

Originally Posted by Ken S
I honestly would pay up to $30k flat, for a Camaro with perfect rubber, performance supension, big brakes, and cooling. with a drivetrain to back it up and good fit and finish. Sure its kinda pricey, but then its a whole lot easier to focus on the hp mods. But only if its the "real deal", tested and track proven.


In fact, if they do that, I will trade in my 99 Z28, and possibilty even my Avalanche, for one. (although the wife won't like that idea...)


I rather then charge a bit more, and not cut corners/make sacrifices.. then charge less, and have to obviously cut corners here and there.


I think its totally possible for the Camaro to be more expensive than a Mustang, but still be a better value.. IE, the extra money is well spent.


In a comparo, I rather see the Pro's: good Build Quality/fit and finish, awesome performance,
Cons: higher price, aggressive layout = less interior room
Bottom line: best performer, a bit mnore expensive, but well worth the $


IOW: I don't want to hear the excuse, "well its flaws are made by its great raw performance #'s"..


Things I dream to hear are:

"Forget about the pervious notions of Camaro's being squeeky rattle traps, the general made this Camaro solid! It will also cut thru the corners and rip thru the straights, leaving the competition behind...outperforming the pervious generation in every aspect, from interior to performance... Its apparent that GM definantly did their homework at their new roadcourse test testrack...the 1LE is a serious suspension, brake, and cooling package aimed for the performance ethusiast"

Perhaps the downside would be, "the Camaro's more aggressive greenhouse sacrifices some interior room, and its low slung designs makes getting in and out a little more work than the more upright Mustang" IMO, would be a good thing differentiating the Camaro as a more performance driven machine.
While your notion sounds fine for the existing Camaro enthusiast, it also sounds like the exact same formula that the Gen 4 Camaro took................ and that killed it. About the only advantage you gave the new car over the old was the lack of squeeks and rattles.

Short of a sports car, I just don't think that todays buying public is willing to pay for a very large car with a very small interior that you have to fall down into............. just to get a nice engine.

If GM wants to build a new Camaro as a low production niche vehicle, that is fine. If they are expecting sales volume, then they will need to appeal to the buying public as a whole (and gasp............ even to girls!!!!).
Old Nov 18, 2004 | 04:07 PM
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Re: Would you expect a 2007 Camaro to be more expensive then a 2007 Mustang?

Well, it did well at first, but they didn't update it.. plus no advertising.. and as time passed on, its flaws of shoddy interior quality and rattles became apparent.. and they didn't improve on it at all.. So while the 5th may be a little small on the inside, at least make the build and material quality up there.. (plus IRS could smooth things out a bit)


Lopping off a couple of inches on both sides will shorten the car down, plus extending the wheelbase would make it look alot leaner..


Honestly, I rather have the Camaro be a 30k-40k sales per year 2+2 niche car then..


I say, if you want a sporty coupe that leans more to the pratical side for mass appeal, then why don't they let the Monte Carlo SS coupe fill that niche... The namebrand recognition is there thanks to NASCAR... or perhaps build "the Chevelle"



Originally Posted by 94LightningGal
While your notion sounds fine for the existing Camaro enthusiast, it also sounds like the exact same formula that the Gen 4 Camaro took................ and that killed it. About the only advantage you gave the new car over the old was the lack of squeeks and rattles.

Short of a sports car, I just don't think that todays buying public is willing to pay for a very large car with a very small interior that you have to fall down into............. just to get a nice engine.

If GM wants to build a new Camaro as a low production niche vehicle, that is fine. If they are expecting sales volume, then they will need to appeal to the buying public as a whole (and gasp............ even to girls!!!!).
Old Nov 18, 2004 | 04:18 PM
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The Monte Carlo SS???? That hideous FWD abortion on wheels??? (sorry, I realize that may just be my opinion............. but that is one oddly proportioned fugly mobile). I could care less if it distantly resembles a car used in NASCAR (you know, the RWD race car). I guess you can call it a sporty coupe if your idea of a sporty coupe is a FWD fugly mobile with stripes and SS emblems.

The Monte Carlo SS is a mainstream FWD transportation appliance with a 300 year old (the 3.8 has been around that long, hasn't it??? (yes I realize I am exagerating) supercharged V6, stripes and emblems.

If I offended anyone who likes the car, I am sorry. I realize that is my opinion.

So Ken, you are expecting a 350-400hp, amazing looking car, on a world class chassis, with fantastic built quality and IRS, that sells under 30-40K units a year............... for cheap??? OK.
Old Nov 18, 2004 | 06:36 PM
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Yea, up to about $30k cheap.... Direct competition with the 350Z. I figure if a GTO is possible for $32k, then a car, leaning towards perf, on a brand new shared platform can exist for about that too. The LSx engine and T56 trans is out there already.


I'm under the assumption the W platform will finally die in the near future and the Monte Carlo SS will be reborn under a RWD platfrom with a LSx V8. Unless they plan on soldiering the W platform for like the next 500 years... or i guess a new platfrom thats FWD.




Originally Posted by 94LightningGal
The Monte Carlo SS???? That hideous FWD abortion on wheels??? (sorry, I realize that may just be my opinion............. but that is one oddly proportioned fugly mobile). I could care less if it distantly resembles a car used in NASCAR (you know, the RWD race car). I guess you can call it a sporty coupe if your idea of a sporty coupe is a FWD fugly mobile with stripes and SS emblems.

The Monte Carlo SS is a mainstream FWD transportation appliance with a 300 year old (the 3.8 has been around that long, hasn't it??? (yes I realize I am exagerating) supercharged V6, stripes and emblems.

If I offended anyone who likes the car, I am sorry. I realize that is my opinion.

So Ken, you are expecting a 350-400hp, amazing looking car, on a world class chassis, with fantastic built quality and IRS, that sells under 30-40K units a year............... for cheap??? OK.
Old Nov 22, 2004 | 07:46 PM
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Re: Would you expect a 2007 Camaro to be more expensive then a 2007 Mustang?

Originally Posted by 94LightningGal
The Monte Carlo SS???? That hideous FWD abortion on wheels??? (sorry, I realize that may just be my opinion............. but that is one oddly proportioned fugly mobile). I could care less if it distantly resembles a car used in NASCAR (you know, the RWD race car). I guess you can call it a sporty coupe if your idea of a sporty coupe is a FWD fugly mobile with stripes and SS emblems.

The Monte Carlo SS is a mainstream FWD transportation appliance with a 300 year old (the 3.8 has been around that long, hasn't it??? (yes I realize I am exagerating) supercharged V6, stripes and emblems.
I thought I was about the only one that thinks they look like @$$.
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