Wife Just Got an Equinox
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Re: Wife Just Got an Equinox
Originally Posted by Red Planet
I don't think that's the case at all.
There are many reasons...one IS the cost of fuel. (the fifty million dollar question is: where will prices go in the next year or two....???) One is that the GM SUVs are getting to the end of the lifecycle -- thus the reason for pulling the 900 series forward........
There are many reasons...one IS the cost of fuel. (the fifty million dollar question is: where will prices go in the next year or two....???) One is that the GM SUVs are getting to the end of the lifecycle -- thus the reason for pulling the 900 series forward........
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Re: Wife Just Got an Equinox
I'd like to quickly point out that part of the gas price issue right now is that the Dollar is really weak. If the Dollar went up to where it was 3 yrs ago the price of oil in U.S. $ would go down probably under $40/barrel. Gas prices would come down some because of that but not a great deal simply because we are short of refinery capacity here.
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Re: Wife Just Got an Equinox
Originally Posted by guionM
But hasn't the sales drop been pretty sudden for old design to be a part of this??
SUV's may or may not take a dump in the very near future because of fuel prices, but pickup trucks will still be dominant in the market. The idea that GM is pulling the trucks ahead is a good thing in many respects. In two years or less there are going to be a lot of folks ready to start working on cars again... with lots of RWD experience...
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Re: Wife Just Got an Equinox
Originally Posted by redzed
It's too bad that GM's SUVs don't have class leading performance to go with the supposed class leading fuel economy. My lowly Nissan can smoke any Cadillac Escalade. Sad, isn't it.
I forgot to mention that the 16MPG figure is for around town - without any highway driving. The fact that I've never gotten much more than 18MPG on the highway most reflects the fact that I don't spare the horses.
Maybe the stereotype that Japanese vehicles make a better compromise between performance and fuel economy is true - at least when it comes to big, huge V8 Nissans.
I forgot to mention that the 16MPG figure is for around town - without any highway driving. The fact that I've never gotten much more than 18MPG on the highway most reflects the fact that I don't spare the horses.
Maybe the stereotype that Japanese vehicles make a better compromise between performance and fuel economy is true - at least when it comes to big, huge V8 Nissans.
too bad the "great" Armada is a sales Flop. Same goes for the gas pig Titan. Nissan keeps missing it's sales goals by good amounts. With gas prices climbing I don't expect a 2nd generation of either truck.
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Re: Wife Just Got an Equinox
Originally Posted by redzed
GM's large SUVs are elderly and mediocre products. GuionM, I know you won't believe me, but anyone who can afford a $40K SUV can afford to fill the tank with $3.00/gallon gasoline.
GM management needs to take full responsibility for the falling sales of their large SUV sales. You can't just blame "gas prices" after you've milked these products for years without reinvesting the sky high profits.
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Re: Wife Just Got an Equinox
Originally Posted by guionM
Oh I believe you 100% on this. Alot of people have a warped perspective of fuel prices. They'll gripe when fuel goes up 50 cents a gallon, but the added cost is less than a large Starbucks coffee and a Bagel per week.
All these people griping don't have $25 somewhere else in their budgets they can trim? How about icewater instead of Coke at lunch? 2 less Double Latte's from Starbucks like you said, or whatever. We complain about 50 cents more per gallon but then people think nothing of dropping $500/month for a car payment or $2000 for a set of ported cyl heads.
People just love something to bitch about IMO. They'll keep paying it because we all have to. Yes if it hits $4 a gallon that's going to start to really hurt, and it will hurt low income workers first for whom gas is a much bigger % of their budgets. But some pain is necessary for market forces to push alternatives along.
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Re: Wife Just Got an Equinox
Originally Posted by PacerX
One thing to keep in mind:
SUV's may or may not take a dump in the very near future because of fuel prices, but pickup trucks will still be dominant in the market. The idea that GM is pulling the trucks ahead is a good thing in many respects. In two years or less there are going to be a lot of folks ready to start working on cars again... with lots of RWD experience...
SUV's may or may not take a dump in the very near future because of fuel prices, but pickup trucks will still be dominant in the market. The idea that GM is pulling the trucks ahead is a good thing in many respects. In two years or less there are going to be a lot of folks ready to start working on cars again... with lots of RWD experience...
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Re: Wife Just Got an Equinox
Originally Posted by Z28x
Glad to see you bought your 5,000+ SUV for drag racing too bad the "great" Armada is a sales Flop. Same goes for the gas pig Titan. Nissan keeps missing it's sales goals by good amounts. With gas prices climbing I don't expect a 2nd generation of either truck.
too bad the "great" Armada is a sales Flop. Same goes for the gas pig Titan. Nissan keeps missing it's sales goals by good amounts. With gas prices climbing I don't expect a 2nd generation of either truck.Of course, if you want to talk about a "gas pig," we could always talk about the 5-cylinder Canyon/Colorado. Didn't Car & Driver get a horrifically lousy 17mph with a GMC Colorado?
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Re: Wife Just Got an Equinox
Originally Posted by Z28x
Glad to see you bought your 5,000+ SUV for drag racing too bad the "great" Armada is a sales Flop. Same goes for the gas pig Titan. Nissan keeps missing it's sales goals by good amounts. With gas prices climbing I don't expect a 2nd generation of either truck.
too bad the "great" Armada is a sales Flop. Same goes for the gas pig Titan. Nissan keeps missing it's sales goals by good amounts. With gas prices climbing I don't expect a 2nd generation of either truck.Besides, Toyota has made generation after generation of the Tundra even though they never sell much more than 100K a year. They too are building a brand new dedicated truck plant. The new truck coming out of that plant will be either the 3rd of 4th generation.
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Re: Wife Just Got an Equinox
Originally Posted by guionM
It's still my opinion that alot of the sales drop is because of fuel prices. People are starting to get realistic about what their buying. I suspect a few more people are really asking do they need a big Tahoe or Trailblazer, and going for an Equinox instead.
Let's accept that the Equinox is a great replacement for the very nasty Suzuki-built Tracker - and also for the (finally )outgoing S-10 Blazer - but that's the best I can say about it.
I get the horrible feeling that the Equinox/Torrent is going to get a horrible beating in the sales department from crossovers like the third generations of the CRV and RAV-4, not to mention the redesigned Hyundai Sante Fe.
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Re: Wife Just Got an Equinox
Originally Posted by redzed
I'll admit that I can see sales the Equinox "canibalizing" sales from the regular length Trailblazer, but keep in mind that the lack of the 3rd row seat will severely limit the sales potential of the Equinox/Torrent. To take it a step further, I really have to wonder if the architecture of the Theta platform is too inflexible to accomodate a 3rd row.
Let's accept that the Equinox is a great replacement for the very nasty Suzuki-built Tracker - and also for the (finally )outgoing S-10 Blazer - but that's the best I can say about it.
I get the horrible feeling that the Equinox/Torrent is going to get a horrible beating in the sales department from crossovers like the third generations of the CRV and RAV-4, not to mention the redesigned Hyundai Sante Fe.
Let's accept that the Equinox is a great replacement for the very nasty Suzuki-built Tracker - and also for the (finally )outgoing S-10 Blazer - but that's the best I can say about it.
I get the horrible feeling that the Equinox/Torrent is going to get a horrible beating in the sales department from crossovers like the third generations of the CRV and RAV-4, not to mention the redesigned Hyundai Sante Fe.
2. The Equinox is SUPPOSED to be the replacement for the nasty (and it was nasty) Tracker and venerable S-10 Blazer so I don't really understand why that's the "best" you can say. Looks like mission accomplished to me.
3. Won't the lack of a third row seat in the third generations of the CRV and RAV-4 severely limit their sales potential?
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Re: Wife Just Got an Equinox
Nah, I think the Titan appears to be a great light duty truck.
BTW, Cadillac EXT will do 0-60 in 8 flat too.. My Avalanche with the 5.3 is timed at mid 8's, which I believe..
I believe the 8L trucks and disiel trucks would actually do 0-60 in the 8's too. They've got massive amounts of tq, and a touch more hp, but weigh in at least 1000 lbs more... so it equals out.
I'd like to see the new GM trucks and SUV's.. I can definantly see them doing well in powertrain, if they do come with the new Ls2 based 6.0L V8's, and better 6 speeds.. However, I wonder what GM will do about the interiors..
I also wonder if these interiors and 6 speed auto's will bolt into the existing trucks too..
BTW, Cadillac EXT will do 0-60 in 8 flat too.. My Avalanche with the 5.3 is timed at mid 8's, which I believe..
I believe the 8L trucks and disiel trucks would actually do 0-60 in the 8's too. They've got massive amounts of tq, and a touch more hp, but weigh in at least 1000 lbs more... so it equals out.
I'd like to see the new GM trucks and SUV's.. I can definantly see them doing well in powertrain, if they do come with the new Ls2 based 6.0L V8's, and better 6 speeds.. However, I wonder what GM will do about the interiors..
I also wonder if these interiors and 6 speed auto's will bolt into the existing trucks too..
Originally Posted by PacerX
Errr... why would someone pick out a Cadillac EXT out for a drag race?
The Titan runs neck and neck with the 5.3 liter HYBRID Silverado (7.91 vs. 7.94 0-60 times) . If you want to race, why don't you try conclusions with an SS? The Titan and SS are within 100 lbs. of each other and the SS has 40 horsepower on the Titan.
Then again, if towing were your thing, we could always just option up a 2500HD with the Diesel and Allison and we'll take bets on which part of your "it's almost a truck" will get torn off first in a pulling contest... my guess is the rear axle assembly... but hey, just a shot in the dark there...
The Titan is a good effort. Nissan came very close to almost kinda sorta building a truck this time.
Pssst... 900 is coming... and it's going to be a dark day in Ford/Dodge/Nissan/Toyota land when they hit the streets. Let there be no doubts, it will trump anything on the road.
The Titan runs neck and neck with the 5.3 liter HYBRID Silverado (7.91 vs. 7.94 0-60 times) . If you want to race, why don't you try conclusions with an SS? The Titan and SS are within 100 lbs. of each other and the SS has 40 horsepower on the Titan.
Then again, if towing were your thing, we could always just option up a 2500HD with the Diesel and Allison and we'll take bets on which part of your "it's almost a truck" will get torn off first in a pulling contest... my guess is the rear axle assembly... but hey, just a shot in the dark there...
The Titan is a good effort. Nissan came very close to almost kinda sorta building a truck this time.
Pssst... 900 is coming... and it's going to be a dark day in Ford/Dodge/Nissan/Toyota land when they hit the streets. Let there be no doubts, it will trump anything on the road.
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Re: Wife Just Got an Equinox
I didn't read all of the replys but I thought I'd add that a girl I know bought one brand new, and it has been in the dealership 9-10 times for all kinds of crap. Sounds like a POS.
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Re: Wife Just Got an Equinox
Originally Posted by redzed
Thanks for the honesty.
For the sake of GM and the entire domestic automotive industry, I sincerely hope that GMT-900 is more than it's billed to be.
For the sake of GM and the entire domestic automotive industry, I sincerely hope that GMT-900 is more than it's billed to be.
Thanks for YOUR honesty...or lack thereof.
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Re: Wife Just Got an Equinox
Originally Posted by PacerX
"Hello Mr. Dirtbag Toyota owner... you have a V6 in your Camry, right?"
"Why yes I do, and it's good for the trees and protects baby seals and keeps our water clean..."
"Ummm... did you know that the 6.0 liter V8 in the Corvette over there actually gets better higway fuel economy?"
"That's just not possible, Michael Moore told me so..."
***Whip out EPA ratings here.***
"SO, Mr. Dirtbag Toyota owner, NOT ONLY ARE YOU KILLING BABY SEALS AND SETTING FIRE TO RAIN FORESTS BECAUSE YOUR CAMRY'S GAS PIG, BUT YOU'RE SLOW TOO!"
"Why yes I do, and it's good for the trees and protects baby seals and keeps our water clean..."
"Ummm... did you know that the 6.0 liter V8 in the Corvette over there actually gets better higway fuel economy?"
"That's just not possible, Michael Moore told me so..."
***Whip out EPA ratings here.***
"SO, Mr. Dirtbag Toyota owner, NOT ONLY ARE YOU KILLING BABY SEALS AND SETTING FIRE TO RAIN FORESTS BECAUSE YOUR CAMRY'S GAS PIG, BUT YOU'RE SLOW TOO!"