Speaking of LS6 Camaros, do the ZL1 phase I Camaros outrun 03-04 Cobras?

 

Id say due to the weight difference, that phase 1 ZL1's could probably stay neck and neck with the Cobras.

 

I like your style and most of what you post - regardless of car/model, but dude, you should REALLY go back and read this post again...
Your beloved LS1 F-car was having it's lunch stolen by a Ford pickup well before it went on hiatus.

I've said it before, and I'll say it ONE MORE TIME...
If having the fastest production car means it's going to DIE a few years later, then knock yourself out!
I'd MUCH rather that Ford keep the Mustang civil and cheap for the masses, than make it into a compromized land rocket for the sake of a magazine ad that says "It's the fastest from the factory". BIG-DEAL.:blah:
Did you a lot of good once the cars is DEAD, huh?

Design a great platform, onto which the owner can add goodies, mod to his desire, and not need a mortgage to do so. Give it good styling, decent power, and a great basic price - then let the fun (and sales) begin.

I've read this whole thread as it has rolled along, each time thinking "does it matter?" Well honestly, I don't think it does. Just give the public a nice car they can "toy" with and see what goes, hmmm?

 

It was

 

Yup, it was.
That was in reference to "the SVT boys giving thanks" to the deities above for the F-car demise, the L was boasting way over posted LS1 hp before 2002. 385hp in 2002 alone.

Oh, it was clobbering the basic Mustang GT and the 2002 Cobras too. Just don't think I'm picking on the F-cars here. My point was that the SVT boys weren't praying to anybody for anything, except maybe more play money.

 

A stock L will not clobber an LS1 F-body, no matter what you read. With a few mods maybe, but not the way it came from the factory.

Also...there was no 2002 Cobra

 

Ok, are you just talking in terms of HP, or in actual performance specs such as acceleration, 1/4 times etc.? I know the L is one bad-a$$ machine, and does have gobs of power, but I was under the impression that all LS1 F-bodies out accelerated an L based on the L's curb weight and aerodynamics of a brick? If an L does outperform an LS1 F-body, then I'm even more impressed with it.

 

A stock L will not clober an ls-1 f-car. Maybe give an A4 Ls-1 car a good race (neck and neck), but not clober or beat a well driven 6spd. A buddy of mine has run consistant 13.5's with his, which is badass for a 5,000lb truck.

SVT/Colleti was never afraid to compete. But they were working with one arm tied behind their back throughout most of the last decade. Now that Bill Ford is back in control, he has given SVT a bigger budget and some much needed working room to build the cars they want. This is why we're seeing more powerful cars coming from SVT.

That and i don't think SVT has anything to fear from an Ls-6 camaro. We already know the stock and modified potential of the blown 4.6. As great as the Ls-6 is, i don't think it takes anything away from SVT or the 2003/04 Cobra's.

That's the mustang GT, the base performance version. YOU know that. With Ford coming out and saying "they're will be 9 variations of the mustang" i don't see how anyone can think of the GT as "top of the line" or a model that can be compared to the likes of the Ls2 GTO and 6.1L Hemi charger. At best, the GT is an intermediate, even when the top of the line model is on a hiatus. That and i don't think excluding special models and convertibles from production the first year is anything new. Where's the 2005 z06? the 2003/04 Viper GTS coupe?

Somehow, you're trying to make it sound like Ford is trying to shy away from competition just because their special performance models won't be available for another model year. Pretty far-fetched notion.

 

Man... some guys just don't get it.

I'm not the one who compared "LS2 GTOs and 6.1L Hemi Chargers" to a "Ford making their top of the line 2005 Mustang 300hp".

I'm the one trying to point out how misaligned it was to think this way. My point was that a truck has more HP stock than the top pony car from the competition. I then said it had more than Ford's competition too. Then I said that SVT guys aren't thanking god for anything GM-given, in fact they just want more play money. So now I'm getting blitzed by vehicle weights and 1/4-mile timeslips...

If you didn't understand my first post, just forget it.

Thanks RiceEating5.0 for the attempt at clarification.
I didn't think all that typing was gonna be necessary or I'd have done it in the first post. NO, actually, if I thought nobody would understand it I wouldn't have posted at all.

man, whatamonday.

 

Yes, you are right.
Typo.
I've severed my 3rd finger from my right hand in memorial of this event - so it will never happen again!

 

I wasn't aware that "having your lunch stolen" merely meant another car has more HP than yours on paper.

I assumed, apparently naively (please fogive my ignorance) that the phrase meant you got beat in some sort of performance measure such as a drag race.

(theoretical conversation between me and a Hyabusa owner)
me: Hey, my car can steal your bike's lunch
bike guy: no way, I can blow you off the road
me: No, I only meant I have more rated HP than you.
bike guy: Oh ok, yeah, you're right, your car really "steals my lunch".

Point being, you said it, you were called on it. Revise your statement to more accurately reflect what you meant rather than getting all pissy like people are coming down on you for no good reason.

 

My interpretation of his statement as well...

 

Yup, my interpretation as well. That's why I asked in what terms he was speaking about. Hey, if a stock L could clobber an LS1 F-body, then that's a pretty impressive feat considering it's weight and aerodynamics disadavantages. But my post was meant for clarification, and apparently everybody is coming down on him so he gets all pissy.

 

Proud- I usually like what you have to say, but I really have to
disagree with you on this fact. The F-cars did not die because they outperformed the Mustang. Following your logic, the Mustang should have died back in the mid 80s when it outperformed the F-cars. Chevy and Pontiac have always made these cars good performers and that is part of the reason I love them so much. I would much rather start modding a 320hp car
than a 280hp car because I am already 40hp ahead!!

 

Everybody on this board should know by now that the F-bodies did not die due to sales at all...it was all internal positioning to ditch a pricey, ancient plant.