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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 09:55 AM
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Why Do Speedometers Go To 160MPH?

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008...ers-go-160.php

A great way to get all the testosterone soaked hard core engineers who hate whining environmentalists wound up is to say something nice about Jimmy Carter, but here is another eminently sensible thing he did: He capped the maximum speed on speedometers in cars at 85 MPH.

Tom Vanderbilt thinks it affects the way we drive. "even knowing that these numbers bear little relationship to reality, we’re affected by the visual display. No matter how fast we drive, the needle is always less than halfway up the dial, indicating there’s still plenty of room for acceleration. That remaining space may even goad us into testing the limits by going faster."

Vanderbilt continues: "Capping the speedometer would remove a theoretical and illegal max to test on public roads. Influenced by the so-called anchoring effect, people are induced to eat more when portion sizes are larger and to drink more when the range of beverage options is increased. (Many consumers eschew the biggest and smallest drink choices at fast-food restaurants, so companies have supersized their “large” choice, thus making the “medium” more palatable, even though it’s bigger than ever.) In the same way, the value of 160 on my speedometer has been shown to influence decision-making."
They make a good argument. I remember my first car and even my parents only went to 85 and if you could "bury the needle" your high school friends were impressed. 80-85 doesn't seem that impressive when your needle goes to 160mph

In cars with over 300HP the big speedometer justified IMHO.

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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 10:00 AM
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Because it is a free country and that is what customers like?

Old Oct 22, 2008 | 10:06 AM
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Cars do more than drive on public roads. I like having a high speedo for racing use. Sure, my bolton camaro doesn't trap at 155, but someday it might. And it certainly traps better than 85.

The same arguement could be made for alot of automotive options.

Why sell 4wd vehicles in the south? It doesn't snow here.
Why have stereo systems in cars? They are proven to cause more wrecks due to driver inattention than anything.
Old Oct 22, 2008 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Z28x
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They make a good argument. I remember my first car and even my parents only went to 85 and if you could "bury the needle" your high school friends were impressed. 80-85 doesn't seem that impressive when your needle goes to 160mph
There was a federal law enacted effective the 1980 model year that no new car in the U.S. could be sold with a speedometer that read above 85 mph. The law was repealed in 1983, but 85 mph speedos were still common in everything but performance cars up until the early 90s.
Old Oct 22, 2008 | 10:31 AM
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I used to hate that the law stopped the cars of the 80's etc from going beyond 85 on the speedo.

Now, today, at age 36 instead of age 18.......... I drive my SRX, and look at the 160MPH speedometer, and think to myself... WTF?

I mean... I can even see 120 or so... maybe... I guess... kinda/sorta... but the 160 is NEVER gonna happen in this SRX...and the effective "usable range" of the gauge is diminished.

Basically I have this nice big speedometer guage, and I only use a small portion of it, and the numbers are all crammed together for no real reason. Instead of 160, make it a 120 guage and spread the numbers out more, and make it more useful and easier to read.

That said, it's not a read big deal... but kinda goofy when you think about it.
Old Oct 22, 2008 | 10:38 AM
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Because the speedo in my camaro only reads to 145 so now I have to say my top speed is whatever the mph is between the mph/kmh wording. That doesn't sound as cool as saying 160.

My jeep speedo only goes to 85mph.
That means everyday on the drive to work it's maxxed out.
Old Oct 22, 2008 | 11:02 AM
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Some folks I knew used to think the highest digit on your speedo meant your car was capable of going that fast. I somehow don't think my old CTS 3.6 was capable of 220 mph

My G8 is the opposite, in an way: it can do way more than the 180 kph the speedo tops out at. Although I find myself looking at the digitial speedometer way more than the analogue one so I guess it doesn't matter.
Old Oct 22, 2008 | 11:08 AM
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My 335i's speedo shows 160... the speed limiter in my car stops me from exceeding 155 (not that I have ever confirmed that in person)

I'd be pretty annoyed if my speedo only showed 85 or even 100. I don't know why... it would just annoy me.

Though I can absolutely agree that the psychological aspect of the original post is probably true.

FWIW our 4runner's speedo shows 110 mph which is probably right around what it will do if I had to guess.



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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric77TA
There was a federal law enacted effective the 1980 model year that no new car in the U.S. could be sold with a speedometer that read above 85 mph. The law was repealed in 1983, but 85 mph speedos were still common in everything but performance cars up until the early 90s.
The 85 mph speedometer rule was enacted by Joan Claybrook as head of the NHTSA that started in 1980. I believe the law was repealed in 1989, not 1983, though I could be wrong.

Although the law took effect in 1980, manufacturers got a jump on it and started putting in 85 mph speedos back in '76-'77.
Old Oct 22, 2008 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by guionM
The 85 mph speedometer rule was enacted by Joan Claybrook as head of the NHTSA that started in 1980. I believe the law was repealed in 1989, not 1983, though I could be wrong.

Although the law took effect in 1980, manufacturers got a jump on it and started putting in 85 mph speedos back in '76-'77.
My 1986 IROC-Z had a 145mph speedometer, so 1989 can't be right.
Old Oct 22, 2008 | 12:38 PM
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Well, I think it makes sense as long as the vehicle can do it. If you have a 160mph speedo on a car that is drag limited to 130mph, then it does not make much sense. Otherwise, why not 160mph? If the car can do it, or come close to it, it certainly belongs. When you look at the other analog gagues, they are basically limit indications.

If you think 160mph speedo is pointless, then why not change the gas gauge so it doesn't show "E", but instead stops at a quarter tank (so people don't run out of gas). Or why bother showing a tachometer that goes into the redline? Newer cars have rev limiters and protection from going too far into it and more over, how many average drivers (manual and auto) often take it that far?

Just some things to think about.
Old Oct 22, 2008 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 93RedDevilZ28
If you think 160mph speedo is pointless, then why not change the gas gauge so it doesn't show "E", but instead stops at a quarter tank (so people don't run out of gas).
Now that's a good point.
Old Oct 22, 2008 | 12:55 PM
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I'm of the opinion that a car's speedometer should go as far as the car from the factory is capable of doing.

On the spacing issue, I like what Audi is doing. It's numbers are not evenly spread. The spread from 0-90 km/h is greater than the remaining 90 - 260 km/h, which is really smart and useful. I hardly travel more than 130 - 140 km/h, hence I don't need to access the speedometer above 150 km/h that frequently, but the greater precision between 0 and 90 is helpful.

My Mazda3's speedo goes to 220 km/h. I suspect it has a limiter around 188 or so. I'm sure that even without the limiter it would not reach anything higher than 210 - 220.
Old Oct 22, 2008 | 01:24 PM
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For performance cars the speedo should go where ever they want it to go.

For econ cars i don't see why anything over 110 is needed. maybe just a 0-100.
Old Oct 22, 2008 | 01:35 PM
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Why not? It should only take about what, 40-50 seconds depending on gearing?
Actually only about 29-33 seconds based on the unmodded 335is I've watched on youtube.

As for why not... if I had somebody as a scout ahead of me to make sure there were no cops and the road was completely empty/clear from other traffic I'd try it. I haven't had that opportunity yet. I did once in my GS400 though and got it up to 140 before I chickened out.



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