Apparently the 2010 Mustang.


http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/01...ying-wolf.html

So is this 'Coyote' is a larger version of the Mod 4.6 right? I don't think it would be based on the formerly Hurricane now Boss V8s.

 

I want to know, is it finally a 6-speed tranny??

 

It's not a larger mod... its a larger motor 'based' on the mod.
Next gen v8 to be in the 2011+ mustang.

And no its not part of the BOSS 6.2 line

Its more new than anything.

Yes on the 6 speeds (auto+manual)

 

So it isn't Mod and it isn't Boss. Is it a totally new engine architecture then? So Ford would have 3 different V8 architectures?

 

Its next get mod.(if you could call it that)
It's set to replace the 4.6/5.4 eventually and is a relative to the current mod motors.

 

It's basically a new 5.0 block.. looks like they are bringing back a new incarnation of that. so they will have another platform again.

 

No its sorta MODII - Ford is probably set to dump the old school MOD motor, but I suppose they want to burn through their current inventory of old style MOD motors as opposed to say recycling them.

I see two sensors on the end of the cam covers so I guess this engine will have VVT on the intake and exhaust - I hope the intake is a development peice, would be a shame to have a heavy heat loving intake on top (of course you could take it the other way and figure this is some sort of low voluem limited production engine that couldn't justify the expense of a plastic intake).

 

You're looking at 400 horsepower, and roughly 400 lbs ft of torque out of an engine smaller than GM's 5.3 let alone the Hemi II's 5.7 or GM's comparitively huge 6.0 engine.

Sure, that 400 horses is 22 less than the Camaro SS.

But the Mustang GT is roughly 400 pounds less too.

And if Ford keeps that 3.73 axle.......

........ well, you get the picture.

 

 

Doesn't look smaller to me. Looks much wider actually. (It's about engine weight!) That being said, it's about weight! If the Mustang is that much lighter, while getting a 6-speed. I'm all for it.

 

smaller as in displacement? Let's not have that argument again. I'd like to know how much it weighs fully dressed and what its physical dimensions are.

Ford's 4v 4.6l mod motor is a behemoth compared to GMs LSx series...

 

Last time I checked the 3v Mod Motor weighed in at the same dressed weight as the LS motor (MOD was listed as lighter at one time) this new engine will weigh more with the DOHC heads, but total vehicle weight will be less (edit: compared to the competion), the M6 adds a paltry amount of weight over the current M5.

 

I think you know what he meant so no need for an argument.

Smaller in terms of displacement is what people are referring to 99.9% of the time.Hence why company's don't really market or advertise the physical dimensions/weight of an engine, but they will market the displacement (5.0L v8, 6.2L v8, 7.0L v8, etc...).

As far as physical dimensions and weight, i wouldn't be surprised if its larger and heavier than the Ls-series motors due to the size and complexity of the Dohc heads, etc... But the rest of the car is lighter so that more than makes up for it in the end. If it comes in under 3650lbs, Ford will have a very quick car on hand.

It's good to see Ford finally put out a competitive v8 in the GT.

 

Once again...

I think it is you (and a bazillion other folks - so no flame or assassinations intended here at you directly) who does not understand Ford's Marketing Strategy regarding the Mustang.

They are not "finally competitive with the GT". The GT has outsold all other V8-RWD cars in it's class (or any other FTM) for... how many years now?!?! And that is not competitive?!?!

There have been/still are Mustangs from the Ford factory that are MUCH faster than the GT - you can buy them and never mod them in any way, and go about as fast as you want to go... Mach 1s, Bullitts, etc, and Cobras, and Shelbys to name a few... but no, they were not Mustang GT's.

Ford does NOT market the Mustang "GT" as the supreme kill-all, top dog Mustang. They don't WANT it to be - that would undermine the limited eds, SVT, and Shelby markets that are very lucritive to them as well. The GT is the base V8, "blank canvas" car that you buy and like it "as-is", or you mod it to suit your needs/desires.

Many people are stuck on the paradigm that the Mustang has a v6 and a v8 version, and that the v8 must be the big dog of the model lineup. Maybe that was true for many other ponycars and competitive models, but the Mustang has evolved into a veritable plethora of offerings, the GT of which is closer to the bottom of the performance line than the top. Hence, it is generally unfair to compare the GT to anything other than base V8 models of another vehicle.

Ford is not putting the biggest/baddest V8 they have into the Mustang Gt. Never will. If we don't understand why at this point... well, I guess we'll just keep posting about how the GT is always so slow.

Just remember... the car has to sell before you can worry about how fast a few of them are. There's more to this game than raw speed.

Now - as for them bringing the new engine out with more ponies - I'm always for that myself - total agreement with you there.
But I don't look at it as if Ford is just now catching-up to some other competition with this hp boost.
Personally, I can sit down at a Ford dealer's desk and sign papers on a 750hp "Mustang" that will come straight to me from the delivery truck. I think that's pretty-d@mn stout, er competitive for a production car already.

 

Sorry...I just don't go for the ricer HP/litre argument. If the LSx motor is lighter, less complex, and easier to package (all while getting the same or better gas mileage)...what does displacement matter?