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Old May 7, 2003 | 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by Ted 99 TA WS6 Conv
I have to agree with ProudPony

1) The car is Holden-ish ... and could be the 2006/07 mock up.

Just compare http://osx.wieck.com/pv/WKA/2003/01/...0283942_pv.jpg

and

http://www.machined.net/~chris/whatisthat.jpg

Looks like they are changing the rear bumper, tail lights and that they have covered some of the existing rear side window. Also they have covered some of the B-pillar.
Having both a 95 and 96 Mustang in my driveway (darn misguided kid ) I first thought Ponycar then Monaro inspired prototype. If it is Monaro based, that kind of reiterates the Chevy-monaro-based-ponycar theory.

As for the white car in the back, you can't see the whole grillwork, but it appears to me to have a "Buick" flavor to it.

Old May 7, 2003 | 07:07 PM
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I doubt its a holden as it looks to small, the commodore platform is a fairly wide beast and that looks far to narrow..

Unless there building a large and small bodied VE platform, as there was talk of re-introducing the Torana (Small Car, V8 engine).
Old May 7, 2003 | 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by AnthonyHSV
I doubt its a holden as it looks to small, the commodore platform is a fairly wide beast and that looks far to narrow..

Unless there building a large and small bodied VE platform, as there was talk of re-introducing the Torana (Small Car, V8 engine).
A small-bodied VE derivative would raise interesting marketing possibilities. Holden would be able to offer RWD models that would roughly correspond in size to the 3, 5, and 7-series BMWs.

Considering that the VE platform is yet another evolution of the GM2800, such a move wouldn't be as expensive as one might think. The small bodied VE could use much of the architecture of the original, narrower-bodied Opel Omega - with the notable exception of the structure from the firewall forward.

All of the current GM2800 cars have very substantial front overhang, a legacy of the turbodiesel inline-6 that was optional on the Opel Omega. (This feature would obviously have to be modified since modern RWD compacts are expected to have a very short front overhang - look at the latest C-class Mercedes if you don't believe me.) Since future RWD products will undoubtedly use the Isuzu-built turbodiesel V6, there's no reason why the engine compartment couldn't be shortened.

However, a Torana replacement has been rumored since the original car was killed 25 years ago. I've seen recent rumors on other boards, but nothing very sound. I'd say the biggest stumbling block is GM's massive investment in the FWD Epsilon platform. However, a "small-bodied" VE would seem to be neccessary if Holden ever expects to export its designs/products to Europe and Japan.

Still, a smaller and lighter 2007 GTO/Monaro would be a fabulous idea.
Old May 7, 2003 | 11:12 PM
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guys, i think you are clutching at straws trying to liken it to a holden, the platform is clearly from whats shown not holdenesque at all, thats just my opinion, and who am i to say, i only see them every-day... if anything i see a wimpala type car, with more than likely FWD setup.

now as for proudpony and the Monaro to be likened to the sn95, dude give it up, i know where you are going, and trust me there are only vague similarities.

so does this mean the GTO is similar to the upcoming BMW range ?

www.micro-op.com.au/execls1/compare.jpg oH my god !!!
Old May 8, 2003 | 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by Ude-lose

www.micro-op.com.au/execls1/compare.jpg oH my god !!!
My goodness they're virtually THE SAME WHEELS! (I don't see much similarity.)
Old May 8, 2003 | 12:57 AM
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My goodness they're virtually THE SAME WHEELS! (I don't see much similarity.)
thats right, but if you squint like proud did, you might mistake it at a glance.
Old May 8, 2003 | 02:12 AM
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Originally posted by Ted 99 TA WS6 Conv
I have to agree with ProudPony

1) The car is Holden-ish ... and could be the 2006/07 mock up.

Just compare http://osx.wieck.com/pv/WKA/2003/01/...0283942_pv.jpg

and

http://www.machined.net/~chris/whatisthat.jpg

Looks like they are changing the rear bumper, tail lights and that they have covered some of the existing rear side window. Also they have covered some of the B-pillar.


2) The fat ugly chick must have smelt something

I agree with Ted (LOL )
I added the red cars styling to the GTO pic. Look here:
http://www.tedkrygier.com/etc/whatthehell.jpg
Old May 8, 2003 | 02:55 AM
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Ted-

What happens when you move the smaller inboard lights up so that the tops of them are lined up instead of the bottoms? This is what they did on the mystery car...
Old May 8, 2003 | 11:01 AM
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The rear (side) window looks to big and the door is too short. I'm sorry but it looks a lot like a 95-96 Mustang. Its too small to be an Impala... but then maybe its the new Monte.
Old May 8, 2003 | 11:52 AM
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Well, here's the verdict so far:

1. It's definately not a Camaro.
2. It's definately not a Cavalier (the design's been done for awhile)
3. It's not "simply" a concept, but it is something headed to production within the next few years.

That's about all the facts I think anyone's going to get out of anybody there, unless you actually work for GM yourself.

My guess? GTO, Monaro, and Chevrolet's coupe will all be on the same structure, so I'm not discounting this is Chevrolet's version of GTO (4 square taillights is becomming Chevy's trademark). Both Chevy and GTO would likely be "brand engineered", so I'm guessing just the nose, tail, and interior would be different.

What's really facinating about all this is that not one person on this thread even thought to wonder what is that completed silver mock-up or prototype in the foreground?

Odds are, both are being made off the same platform or chassis, and should be every bit as intriguing as that coupe that's taking shape.
Old May 8, 2003 | 12:23 PM
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From looking at it I can say the silver car on the left side behind the stinky woman is probably a 4 door. Also by looking at the headlights profile I would say it is either a Buick or maybe an Opel. Those headlights aren't Chevy and DON'T say Pontiac to me either. If I had to place my bets I would say Buick.
Old May 9, 2003 | 07:17 AM
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Originally posted by guionM
Well, here's the verdict so far:

1. It's definately not a Camaro.
2. It's definately not a Cavalier (the design's been done for awhile)
3. It's not "simply" a concept, but it is something headed to production within the next few years.

That's about all the facts I think anyone's going to get out of anybody there, unless you actually work for GM yourself.

My guess? GTO, Monaro, and Chevrolet's coupe will all be on the same structure, so I'm not discounting this is Chevrolet's version of GTO (4 square taillights is becomming Chevy's trademark). Both Chevy and GTO would likely be "brand engineered", so I'm guessing just the nose, tail, and interior would be different.

What's really facinating about all this is that not one person on this thread even thought to wonder what is that completed silver mock-up or prototype in the foreground?

Odds are, both are being made off the same platform or chassis, and should be every bit as intriguing as that coupe that's taking shape.
I too have been told it isn't a Camaro.......maybe it's the big coupe (Monte Carlo/Chevelle), whatever they decide to call it.
Old May 9, 2003 | 08:07 AM
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Guys,
I'm with Doug on this one. I don't think those cars are anything specific. Just styling excersizes.
GM would NEVER allow pictures of upcoming cars to be published.
Maybe elements of those excersizes will be incorporated into future GM products, but not the whole concept.
Old May 9, 2003 | 08:11 AM
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Originally posted by guionM
Well, here's the verdict so far:

1. It's definately not a Camaro.
2. It's definately not a Cavalier (the design's been done for awhile)
3. It's not "simply" a concept, but it is something headed to production within the next few years.

That's about all the facts I think anyone's going to get out of anybody there, unless you actually work for GM yourself.

My guess? GTO, Monaro, and Chevrolet's coupe will all be on the same structure, so I'm not discounting this is Chevrolet's version of GTO (4 square taillights is becomming Chevy's trademark). Both Chevy and GTO would likely be "brand engineered", so I'm guessing just the nose, tail, and interior would be different.

What's really facinating about all this is that not one person on this thread even thought to wonder what is that completed silver mock-up or prototype in the foreground?

Odds are, both are being made off the same platform or chassis, and should be every bit as intriguing as that coupe that's taking shape.

Well, like I said early in this thread:

Could this be where all the Chevelle rumors started from?

A GTO counterpart called Chevelle would seem to make sense.
Old May 9, 2003 | 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by HuJass
Guys,
I'm with Doug on this one. I don't think those cars are anything specific. Just styling excersizes.
GM would NEVER allow pictures of upcoming cars to be published.
Maybe elements of those excersizes will be incorporated into future GM products, but not the whole concept.
They let the nose of a C6 be seen in a CTS-V promo video...



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