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Old Jul 22, 2009 | 03:18 PM
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To be honest I've never understood what's supposed to be so impressive about Welburn, and this ain't helping.
I agree. I have my doubts about him too. Abit more hype than substance I think.

I remember when the 5th gen Concept was revealed in 2006. Beforehand, GM had a parade of old Camaros driving past the stage - some pretty neat ones. When I saw Welburn's yellow '69 Camaro, I thought, "ummm....that's it?"

I mean here was a senior GM designer and his car had no stance, no attitude, a very poor wheel/tire combo. It looked like something I'd see im my high school parking lot circa 1978.

I hope I'm wrong, but I can usually size up someone's autophilia pretty well by how their car looks.

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Old Jul 22, 2009 | 03:26 PM
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Is it clear which new Caddie he's referring to? The XTS (I really can't believe they are doing this) or the MT reported RWD car?


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I agree. But either way, maybe we should bookmark this thread until the XTS comes out, and see if Ed is full of it or not.
Old Jul 22, 2009 | 03:28 PM
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Is it clear which new Caddie he's referring to? The XTS (I really can't believe they are doing this) or the MT reported RWD car?
The XTS. Cadillac is only working on two cars now, that and Alpha.
Old Jul 22, 2009 | 03:33 PM
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How much influence does Welburn have on overall design? Doesn't Sangyup Lee get credit for the Camaro and Tom Peters for the C6? I know he gets final say in overall design language, but I think the overall theme of a vehicle comes from the guy that did the initial sketch that was chosen.

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Old Jul 22, 2009 | 06:53 PM
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Apparently it's got a real CTS-ish flavor to it.

But there are so many other Lambo's which I would pick way before the Countach.
Diablo hands down. They havent matched its style since!
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 12:00 PM
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When I was a kid growing up in the 80's, the Countach was my favorite car. I had pictures of it hanging in my room. Of course, one of my favorite movies at the time was Cannonball Run. The opening scene was the coolest ever!
like wise,,,and til this day, is still one of the best looking cars to me.

Old Jul 23, 2009 | 12:25 PM
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Really strange to see any criticism of Welburn here. Under his tenure, GM's designs have gone from some of the worst in the industry to some of the best. Maybe some of you have Aztek on the brain

I know he's not penning the cars himself, but neither was Harley Earl.
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 12:36 PM
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Cannonball Run:

Opening scene for anyone interested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFB6FfaNQ40

And the best scene, IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHqpDSL4tsg
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 01:11 PM
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There is no Cadillac design that is in the same ball park as the 1963 Vette, and never will be...
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 01:30 PM
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That's how I feel. The Miura is timelessly elegant. The Countach screams late '70's -JMHO.
I'm 30 and grew up in the '80s. Like others, I had the Countach posters and to me it was the ultimate car, especially the late '80s editions (I think '89 was last year) with the outrageous vents and wing.

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Old Jul 23, 2009 | 02:10 PM
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There is no Cadillac design that is in the same ball park as the 1963 Vette, and never will be...

I would almost always agree with this statement, however, there si one that I would say is in that ballpark... unforunately, they never built it.

Old Jul 23, 2009 | 02:28 PM
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^

That still looks awesome!

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I remember when the 5th gen Concept was revealed in 2006. Beforehand, GM had a parade of old Camaros driving past the stage - some pretty neat ones. When I saw Welburn's yellow '69 Camaro, I thought, "ummm....that's it?"

I mean here was a senior GM designer and his car had no stance, no attitude, a very poor wheel/tire combo. It looked like something I'd see im my high school parking lot circa 1978.
For me, I got this impression that he hadn't owned it long and had purchased it as-is just to be able to say he had a '69 Camaro.

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I'm 30 and grew up in the '80s. Like others, I had the Countach posters and to me it was the ultimate car, especially the late '80s editions (I think '89 was last year) with the outrageous vents and wing.
I'm a little older than you, and although I always liked the Countach, I thought the Miura and Diablo were better looking.

Heck, in 1989 I was fresh out of college and I think my favorite car at the time was the Porsche 959.

Too each his own I guess, however this big Caddy had better be the best looking production Cadillac ever for Welburn to give it such praise. I'm not holding my breath.
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For me, I got this impression that he hadn't owned it long and had purchased it as-is just to be able to say he had a '69 Camaro.
I got that impression too - right or wrong.
If that actually is the case, well that's sort of being a poseur, wouldn't you say?
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I got that impression too - right or wrong.
If that actually is the case, well that's sort of being a poseur, wouldn't you say?
Yes and no. If you can afford to buy the perfect car/ or pay someone else to build it for you; why not? I believe I read somewhere that he had actually owned it for a while, however I also got the impression that he didn't do any work on it himself.



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