http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...hreadid=199560

 

You forgot the ending. The part that goes....."And the more the people come up with excuses on why one is more powerful". hehe.

That's a back and forth argument. In 2001 one could have assumed that GM needed higher compression and 1.1 extra Lt of displacement to compete. *shrug*.

Still doesn’t change the facts though. It’s fairly simple….You got it or you don’t. You got the displacement or you don’t, you got the extra cylinders or you don’t, you got the blower or you don’t, you got the extra point in compression or you don’t, you got more hp or you don’t. Simple as that.

 

This is one reason that I have noticed of DC and Ford. They always seem to build special cars not for profit but for speed, look at HEMI Dart, T-Bolt, Viper, SVO Stang, Cobra R, just to name a few. If DC is still who they are, I am sure they will not be out done but Ford. This is also one reason why I have like Dodges for a while. Also puting a v10 in the current body Stang isnt such a big feat, there is someone in town that has one.

 

Ha hah, this is getting hilarious. I think it's the blue eggs&ham that needs 1.2L more displacement plus 2 hairdriers.... intercooled hairdriers to keep up.

Fiscal impact? Yup that $100K+ vette is gonna a mighty fiscal impact on anybody's wallet. The Cobra's landing within 2 years in the low 40s, whether it's blown 5.4 or 5.8 V10.


I dunno, even the Mach1 outruns LS1s with just a plain jane NA 4.6.

http://www.ls1.com/forums/index.html

 

Oh Really? Then someone needs to teach these Mach owners how to drive...

http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread...highlight=mach

(granted this first one has some significant mods on his LS1)

http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread...highlight=mach

http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread...highlight=mach

Stock for stock, the Mach 1 has a gearing advantage but the under-rated LS1 has more power (esp. the 01s & 02s) and typically owns the high end.

 

not the first time it's been done. i remember reading about this when the mag first came out: http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/conc...boss/index.htm

 

How is it you already know the pricing on the 2006 Cobra? If so please go advise FoMoCo, I believe they are still working on those details...

Frankly I'm a little nervous about Ford pushing the top Mustang so far upscale... I hope it doesn't cause a lot of inflation in the price of the next Camaro. I've only been able to afford 'mid-line' LS1 Fbodies in the past and doubt I would spring for one of these 500 hp mega-monster cars.

Perhaps you should compare with the competition... GM's simple pushrod V8's. That wouldn't be very pretty would it.

I doubt any reviewer trying out a modern muscle car (especially one from 5.0M&SF ) would be all bummed about the sound of a 450-500 hp prototype, by any brand. I'm sure there are a lot of Viper owners who like the sound of theirs too... that's great. All I know is what I myself don't like. I don't like the exhaust sounds of UPS trucks, Subaru WRX's, or Vipers I see on the street. And I have a feeling the Ford V10 is akin to the Viper in exhaust note... if so then No Thank You very much.

 

somebodies jelous...j/k, they actually sound different from the inside.

 

Thats going to be a beast of an engine, especially compared to a the LSx series... The 4.6L DOHC is already humongous and heavy enough.. now they put 2 extra cylinders on it to make it larger and heavier? Still, its nifty in its own way, but it better put out big #'s to propel its own weight and size.

This I would have to see with my own eyes for me to believe it to make it to production, especially in a Mustang.

 

It's 60lbs LIGHTER than the current N/A 5.4 DOHC.

Getting a motor into the Mustang engine bay is not really hard lengthwise. The Mod motors have such narrow bore spacing, they're much shorter per cylinder front to back than the LS1. Afterall, it was designed to be a FWD application motor.

The REAL problem with stuffing mod motors into stangs is the engine width and height. A long V10 based off the 4.6 is much more compact than the tall deck 5.4 or its V10 cousin, the 6.8L. They're all still huge compared to pushrod stuff, but who cares. A 4.6 mustang is 10x easier to work on than an LS1 camaro with half the motor under the front dash.

 

Wow, then the 5.4 DOHC must really be a pig!

I'll give you the point about the f-bod's with half the engine under the dash.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what actual vehiles it gets put in, and how the whole package works.

 

Hate to burst any bubbles here but after reading this yesterday I sent on e-mail off to a friend at Ford R&D. I asked him a few things about the V10 Stang and its probablility for production. He said it was a feasability exercise and nothing more. SOme Ford engineers had these engines and had a few production rejected Mustang test cars at their disposal. Not anything he was working on but something he saw. The tests were to see IF a V10, SOHC or DOHC could fit in a SN95 chassis. Well we all know it did, heck it even made it into the pages of MT. It will make a better concept car setup than production vehicle setup. Power was great in a straight line but handling was very poor. Not the think Ford has in mind for the 05 series Stangs. And from what I hear the power to come will make this V10 exercise seem weak.

Don't hold your breaths for the V10 Stang but a SC'd 351 is certainly possible.

 

A 351W? If that is what you are referring to, I really doubt it, as they are out of production.

 

No not a 351Windsor, but an engine of 351 ci, or 5.8L, an engine style your more familiar with. no more info than that.

 

If you say so, then ok. Like many things, I hope you're right, but I'll wait and see.